I like Milk more than apples. Rival gets the PB&J.
- Ben37

Yes!


I was dealing from a position of strength. I have the rest of the pizza at home in my fridge. Asset management...

I love your logic, you are saying you have higher hockey IQ on here by knowing the true value of your teams assets but then you argue that to another teams fan base who have spent more time watchign their team play, that they dont know the value of their assets.

I am Truly blessed to attempted to be humbled by the smartest man on Hockeybuzz. Tis a good day
- DDM-Coga

He truly is a savant in that way... he knows what all 30 GM's are thinking at any given moment.

Staal has been the most overrated player in the nhl for a long time, followed closely by Bouwmeester.
- Scooby_Doo

what about Kunitz?

It is really easy to understand your philosophy. Trade nothing and get nothing in return. The only trades you like are for rentals because you assume we won't have to give much up to get them, but the costs so far for rentals is pretty damn high, so we aren't getting Hemsky for a 3rd or Moulson for a 3rd and mid range D prospect. You are so hypocritical, you rag on Shero for poor asset management, but then the only moves you advocate are rentals, which is the exact opposite of good asset management. For rentals you are giving up future assets to take a chance at a cup now. At least with guys like Kesler and Staal you are giving up assets while acquiring someone who will be here for more than this year.

But go ahead keep calling me and other Pens fans stupid for at least considering options to improve the team now and for the future.
- PensFan1103

I asked you to give me rationale on why Staal makes sense. So, based on his contract; term and his pedestrian numbers in Carolina with better wingers, you have nothing. I think more and more people just can't see the light here.

I'm hypocritical? I didn't give up a first, two seconds and Joe Morrow, for three failed pickups last year at the deadline and one of them doesn't make sense. I think he should feel some heat for decisions. The way he gives away assets for ridiculous deals, Pittsburgh isn't going to be able to make further deals that make sense because he won't have any assets on the farm.

Jordan Staal doesn't improve the team in the future. He hinders that. He eats cap space that can't be used to improve the roster. He isn't the same dude that made 3 million before he was traded. He is making double and isn't living up to his billing - not close. Please explain how Staal makes Pittsburgh better now and in the future with the two wingers he would be centering and when you consider his contract in a LEAGUE THAT HAS A HARD SALARY CAP?

Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Staal the guy that wanted an expanded role and didn't want to be third fiddle in Pittsburgh behind Crosby and Malkin? What would exactly change in this scenario? Wouldn't Pittsburgh be in the same position it was in when he pouted, which forced a move in the first place?

Forget it, you can't give me logical reasons because there aren't any out there to give. Jordan Staal when he played here was a solid two-way performer on a third line that was pretty good and was worth the money. Now, double his salary and the term of his contract is hideous, he is more pedestrian with better wingers. Yep, sounds like my logic is flawed.

Think ahead ... Letang with a contract for 7.25 million; had a stroke and is as fragile as hell and you think he is tradeable now? God help us.

6 million for a third line center that isn't productive anymore is a huge contract to take on. If the Letang contract didn't burry the Pens enough, the Staal deal would. He doesn't have Cooke and TK on that line either. He would have worse wingers than he had here and Pittsburgh couldn't upgrade on that line with ridiculous contracts. I hate to say this ... Sutter at his value >> Staal at his.

You realize he centers Jeff Skinner, right? He has a whopping 11 goals and 27 points with a pretty good goal scorer with him. Those are pedestrial numbers.
- Oneonta Penguin

I expect expect Letang to be 100% next season at least. His problem can be fixed easily.

Staal is a good deal for us regardless.

I didnt say Pouliot plus. I said Depres with a kicker bc I thought he is just a 3rd pairing guy right now. ANd I didnt know how highly regarded Pouliot was, so setttle down.

And McGinn isnt just a third liner, he can play the wing anywhere in the Top 9 and contribute, he is best suited on a good third line or the 2nd line
- DDM-Coga

don't mind him, if you don't drink his kool aid, you don't know hockey.

Yes!


I was dealing from a position of strength. I have the rest of the pizza at home in my fridge. Asset management...
- rival22

We won't be able to evaluate this trade until both are deposited in the toilet

don't mind him, if you don't drink his kool aid, you don't know hockey.
- SuperHenderson13

He amuses me now, he is like a hockey oracle, and I even wonder now if he has ever put on a pair of skates and played the game. I am going to go with no, but he has read about it in books

I expect expect Letang to be 100% next season at least. His problem can be fixed easily.

Staal is a good deal for us regardless.
- Orpik44

So, Letang won't miss a single game next year due to his various injuries; won't have a set back of this issues he has and won't be careless with the puck as he has been the last two years?

Staal - lol. Your rationale is mind boggling.

So, Letang won't miss a single game next year due to his various injuries; won't have a set back of this issues he has and won't be careless with the puck as he has been the last two years?

Staal - lol. Your rationale is mind boggling.
- Oneonta Penguin

Based on your logic, you should have traded Crosby away when he was suffering his concussion issues, Practice what you preach, come out and say it or do you not stand behind your own Masters Degree in GMing

I asked you to give me rationale on why Staal makes sense. So, based on his contract; term and his pedestrian numbers in Carolina with better wingers, you have nothing. I think more and more people just can't see the light here.

I'm hypocritical? I didn't give up a first, two seconds and Joe Morrow, for three failed pickups last year at the deadline and one of them doesn't make sense. I think he should feel some heat for decisions. The way he gives away assets for ridiculous deals, Pittsburgh isn't going to be able to make further deals that make sense because he won't have any assets on the farm.

Jordan Staal doesn't improve the team in the future. He hinders that. He eats cap space that can't be used to improve the roster. He isn't the same dude that made 3 million before he was traded. He is making double and isn't living up to his billing - not close. Please explain how Staal makes Pittsburgh better now and in the future with the two wingers he would be centering and when you consider his contract in a LEAGUE THAT HAS A HARD SALARY CAP?

Forget it, you can't give me logical reasons because there aren't any out there to give. Jordan Staal when he played here was a solid two-way performer on a third line that was pretty good and was worth the money. Now, double his salary and the term of his contract is hideous, he is more pedestrian with better wingers. Yep, sounds like my logic is flawed.

- Oneonta Penguin

Please no one argue with him. He knows everything about the penguins and the game of hockey. Everything he says is 100% accurate and anyone who argues with him should stop watching hockey because they are just stupid.

Based on your logic, you should have traded Crosby away when he was suffering his concussion issues, Practice what you preach, come out and say it or do you not stand behind your own Masters Degree in GMing
- DDM-Coga

Crosby is the best player in the earth. He has come back from his injuries and played at a high level. Last time I checked, he was still the best player on earth. Letang isn't be best defenseman on earth. He isn't even the second or third best defenseman on the Penguins roster. It's not rocket science here. Big difference here champ.

Anybody interested in Conacher or Corvo from Ottawa? Bob McKenzie reporting that both may be put on waivers.

Add to it please. We need all your best prospects.

Pouliot, Despres, Bennett + 1st sounds about right.
- Scooby_Doo

Not happening ... Good luck finding a better deal then sutter, a 1st and depres. ... Try the phily thread

Crosby is the best player in the earth. He has come back from his injuries and played at a high level. Last time I checked, he was still the best player on earth. Letang isn't be best defenseman on earth. He isn't even the second or third best defenseman on the Penguins roster. It's not rocket science here. Big difference here champ.
- Oneonta Penguin

No its not, your logic is saying you need to get rid of a talented hockey player bc he might have a set back in an injury or might come back and have another injury.

Last time I checked Sid had set backs in his comeback from the concussion, and has injurys since then, so well if he is damaged goods, by your definition, you should probably get rid of him too.

Your logic is completly flawed, you have a double standard when it comes to evaulting your assets, or is it just a secret of the pros that us common folks dont know about. Or are you just a sid fan boy that you refuse to admit you are wrong, its ok you can open up here,

Kobasew cleared waivers

Anybody interested in Conacher or Corvo from Ottawa? Bob McKenzie reporting that both may be put on waivers.
- cap1681

Wow, if Conacher is placed on waivers, it makes the straight up deal with Tampa for Ben Bishop look worse and worse.

Well, we need third line help and Conacher is better than what we have. Not saying I'd be interested in Corvo, but Shero might be looking for a veteran defenseman as an insurance policy. At least these two don't cost you assets if they go on waivers. Something to think about.

Anybody interested in Conacher or Corvo from Ottawa? Bob McKenzie reporting that both may be put on waivers.
- cap1681

Conacher yes. He's still fairly young and could be a better Gibbons until they figure out what to do with that position

I thought he was just an ok d prospect, Maatha is a stud, but I thought the other prospects were just meh at the moment wtih Pouliot being the best out of them
- DDM-Coga

Maata made the team just ahead of him ... Poulliot is a top d prospect with much more upside potential then maata ... He projects as a top 2 d man

Wow, if Conacher is placed on waivers, it makes the straight up deal with Tampa for Ben Bishop look worse and worse.

Well, we need third line help and Conacher is better than what we have. Not saying I'd be interested in Corvo, but Shero might be looking for a veteran defenseman as an insurance policy. At least these two don't cost you assets if they go on waivers. Something to think about.
- Oneonta Penguin

They are officially on waivers.

Anybody interested in Conacher or Corvo from Ottawa? Bob McKenzie reporting that both may be put on waivers.
- cap1681

I just came here to ask that.

Conacher- Last Year of deal, 870k, RFA next season
59 GP 4 G 16 A

Joe Corvo - LAst year of deal, 900k UFA next season
25 GP 3 G 7 A

2 guys who could probably fill 2 needs for free and only costs 1.5 mil?

yes please.

Maata made the team just ahead of him ... Poulliot is a top d prospect with much more upside potential then maata ... He projects as a top 2 d man
- Brianandr1

yeah I had that clarified to me, thought he regressed or somtehing, had no idea that Maatta just jumped a few levels and blew him out of the water at training camp to win a spot

Conacher yes. He's still fairly young and could be a better Gibbons until they figure out what to do with that position
- drummer829

Conacher will likely get claimed before the Pens, but if nothing much happens between now and noon tomorrow for Shero, like you said, I'd swap him out for Gibbons at this point.

They are officially on waivers.
- cap1681

Sabres will claim, sneaky guys

No its not, your logic is saying you need to get rid of a talented hockey player bc he might have a set back in an injury or might come back and have another injury.

Last time I checked Sid had set backs in his comeback from the concussion, and has injurys since then, so well if he is damaged goods, by your definition, you should probably get rid of him too.

Your logic is completly flawed, you have a double standard when it comes to evaulting your assets, or is it just a secret of the pros that us common folks dont know about. Or are you just a sid fan boy that you refuse to admit you are wrong, its ok you can open up here,
- DDM-Coga

No, my logic isn't flawed. I'm not a Letang fan for starters. I wasn't before his stroke either. He isn't worth 7.25 million per year based on his play (careless with the puck all the time) and always seems to be in the press box watching because he is injured. You realize, Letang will have missed 100 games in the last three years due to injuries if he is out for the rest of the season? He is fragile.

Sid on the other hand keep returning to the lineup and plays at a high level.

You call it double standard, I call it common sense. When the best player in the world gets injured; sits and then comes back playing like he did before injury at a high level and produces ... nothing to see here genius. Letang isn't Crosby. He isn't even on the same planet.

Who would you give the benefit of the doubt to ... the best hockey player in the world, or a fragile defenseman that is often overrated and soon to be making 7.25 million per year. The answer is pretty obvious.