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Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 3 @ 10:04 AM ET
Well thats what they need. Flyers won't include B. Schenn or Couts in any trade unless the player is top pairing or top pairing potential.
- PhillySportsGuy


Hmmm, you know what would be interesting, lets say we take the Penguins offer so long as we get Pouliot.

So something like Sutter, Pouliot pick for Kesler.

Then we flip you guys Edler and Pouliot for B.Scheen plus forward prospect.

Would that not work for you guys? get a good top 4 D, plus the potential of an elite puck mover.

We finally shore up our center situation with Henrik, Schenn and Sutter in the top 9.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 3 @ 10:04 AM ET
If it brought back Kesler AND Edler (and including other Schenn)? Yes I'd do it. Not for Edler straight up.
- jmatchett383


for sure not Edler Straight up, he hasn't been great this year at all......I still am on the fence though....not sure I move B Schenn unless its for a mobile, puck moving somewhat young D man that can eat minutes.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 3 @ 10:06 AM ET
Hmmm, you know what would be interesting, lets say we take the Penguins offer so long as we get Pouliot.

So something like Sutter, Pouliot pick for Kesler.

Then we flip you guys Edler and Pouliot for B.Scheen plus forward prospect.

Would that not work for you guys? get a good top 4 D, plus the potential of an elite puck mover.

We finally shore up our center situation with Henrik, Schenn and Sutter in the top 9.

- Whiskey-Tango


Might work but it depends on the forward prospect from the Flyers.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:06 AM ET
Hmmm, you know what would be interesting, lets say we take the Penguins offer so long as we get Pouliot.

So something like Sutter, Pouliot pick for Kesler.

Then we flip you guys Edler and Pouliot for B.Scheen plus forward prospect.

Would that not work for you guys? get a good top 4 D, plus the potential of an elite puck mover.

We finally shore up our center situation with Henrik, Schenn and Sutter in the top 9.

- Whiskey-Tango


As long as the forward prospect isn't Laughton, maybe.
B Schenn is a very good #2 center on this team, and I'd hate to move him. But if moving him helps revamp our blue line...well, it takes value and potential for value and potential. Pouliot is one of the better defensive prospects in the world, and Edler would become our #1 for the next 2 years.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 3 @ 10:07 AM ET
I don't think that describes Andrew Alberts all that well.
- jmatchett383


ahahah when we are healthy he never see's the light of day.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Mar 3 @ 10:07 AM ET
I doubt many players plan for a player to leave his feet and plant an elbow in the back on their head while they're facing that glass. I think he's just bad at leaving himself prone.
- jmatchett383

yeah ... but he never seems to be THAT hurt, as far as I can remember. He leaves himself prone, but also not overly so, and somehow knows just how to hit the wall.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:08 AM ET
for sure not Edler Straight up, he hasn't been great this year at all......I still am on the fence though....not sure I move B Schenn unless its for a mobile, puck moving somewhat young D man that can eat minutes.
- landros 2


Well then you're not gonna get that, because B Schenn is most likely the key piece (assuming Coots is off the table) teams want, and he won't get it done alone or with a small piece/pieces.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 3 @ 10:08 AM ET
As long as the forward prospect isn't Laughton, maybe.
B Schenn is a very good #2 center on this team, and I'd hate to move him. But if moving him helps revamp our blue line...well, it takes value and potential for value and potential. Pouliot is one of the better defensive prospects in the world, and Edler would become our #1 for the next 2 years.

- jmatchett383


Pouliot averages the same number of points as Leier on Portland
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 3 @ 10:09 AM ET
Hmmm, you know what would be interesting, lets say we take the Penguins offer so long as we get Pouliot.

So something like Sutter, Pouliot pick for Kesler.

Then we flip you guys Edler and Pouliot for B.Scheen plus forward prospect.

Would that not work for you guys? get a good top 4 D, plus the potential of an elite puck mover.

We finally shore up our center situation with Henrik, Schenn and Sutter in the top 9.

- Whiskey-Tango



I don't think your GM can make that many moves that quickly.....honestly I don't see Kesler getting moved because your GM is really gun shy.....I mean the Luongo thing is still a problem....and he had a chance to get away from it, but held on and held on....his answer? trade the young talented future and hold on to a disgruntled vet ? fast forward to this year...its ugly....god knows what it might be by next October.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:10 AM ET
yeah ... but he never seems to be THAT hurt, as far as I can remember. He leaves himself prone, but also not overly so, and somehow knows just how to hit the wall.
- FlyerGuy


A player can only control how he hits the wall so well. You're talking about a grown man leaving his feet and impacting the back of your head into a fairly rigid piece of glass. You really can't control that impact, even if you're facing the guy and see it coming.

It is pretty remarkable that he isn't hurt worse more often.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 3 @ 10:10 AM ET
Hmmm, you know what would be interesting, lets say we take the Penguins offer so long as we get Pouliot.

So something like Sutter, Pouliot pick for Kesler.

Then we flip you guys Edler and Pouliot for B.Scheen plus forward prospect.

Would that not work for you guys? get a good top 4 D, plus the potential of an elite puck mover.

We finally shore up our center situation with Henrik, Schenn and Sutter in the top 9.

- Whiskey-Tango


That works. Forward prospect would be Taylor Leier. Nice doing business with you
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 3 @ 10:11 AM ET
Well then you're not gonna get that, because B Schenn is most likely the key piece (assuming Coots is off the table) teams want, and he won't get it done alone or with a small piece/pieces.
- jmatchett383

agreed.
thats why I think the Flyers will be quiet at the deadline.....
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:11 AM ET
I don't think your GM can make that many moves that quickly.....honestly I don't see Kesler getting moved because your GM is really gun shy.....I mean the Luongo thing is still a problem....and he had a chance to get away from it, but held on and held on....his answer? trade the young talented future and hold on to a disgruntled vet ? fast forward to this year...its ugly....god knows what it might be by next October.
- landros 2


If Vancouver has another first round exit or misses the playoffs, there's gonna be some changes all over, both on and off the ice.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Mar 3 @ 10:11 AM ET
for sure not Edler Straight up, he hasn't been great this year at all......I still am on the fence though....not sure I move B Schenn unless its for a mobile, puck moving somewhat young D man that can eat minutes.
- landros 2


Sami Vatanen?


Not for Schenn straight up, but, maybe he & something else for Laughton?

Then you trade & sign MacDonald, & the D is mobile again.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:11 AM ET
Pouliot averages the same number of points as Leier on Portland
- PhillySportsGuy


Well then that's pretty damned good.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 3 @ 10:12 AM ET
Well then that's pretty damned good.
- jmatchett383


Yea. Future PP point man. I like him. That Portland team is stacked.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:12 AM ET
agreed.
thats why I think the Flyers will be quiet at the deadline.....

- landros 2


As do I. But if that deal was there, it would be hard to pass up (although I like the idea of the Pouliot/Edler for Schenn+Leier/prospect more).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:14 AM ET
Yea. Future PP point man. I like him. That Portland team is stacked.
- PhillySportsGuy


They sure are. They lose Seth Jones and don't really drop off much.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Mar 3 @ 10:15 AM ET
ahahah when we are healthy he never see's the light of day.
- Whiskey-Tango


I am glad a Canucks fan is here..whats the fan base feelings toward Lu..I almost feel like most canucks fans want him traded cause they feel bad for him. Any thoughts?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 3 @ 10:16 AM ET
I'd be willing to move Mez and a 1st to Vancouver for Edler and a 3rd, they'd need to take Mez off our hands to make the salaries work.

On 2nd thought I'd rather move Mez to Boston for a 2nd and then our 1st to Vancouver for Edler.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:16 AM ET
Since his name got thrown around a few times, what is Leier's potential? He made the WJC but was used in a 4th line/extra forward role, which didn't really suit him. I figure he goes to Adirondack/whever next year. Where does he fit? Is he viewed as a Raffl/Read type player (3rd liner that can jump up) or does he need to play in a scoring role (a la Hart Ross Akeson)?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 3 @ 10:17 AM ET
They sure are. They lose Seth Jones and don't really drop off much.
- jmatchett383


Same goes for London. That team was expecting to get Maata back.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Mar 3 @ 10:18 AM ET
Well then you're not gonna get that, because B Schenn is most likely the key piece (assuming Coots is off the table) teams want, and he won't get it done alone or with a small piece/pieces.
- jmatchett383


Another reason I think we will be quiet is because I think B.Schenn is playing himself off the table...He has been really good lately
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Mar 3 @ 10:18 AM ET
I don't think your GM can make that many moves that quickly.....honestly I don't see Kesler getting moved because your GM is really gun shy.....I mean the Luongo thing is still a problem....and he had a chance to get away from it, but held on and held on....his answer? trade the young talented future and hold on to a disgruntled vet ? fast forward to this year...its ugly....god knows what it might be by next October.
- landros 2


I know
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 3 @ 10:18 AM ET
I'd be willing to move Mez and a 1st to Vancouver for Edler and a 3rd, they'd need to take Mez off our hands to make the salaries work.

On 2nd thought I'd rather move Mez to Boston for a 2nd and then our 1st to Vancouver for Edler.

- BiggE


That's tough. I'm really not looking to move a first for anything except a blockbuster at the draft/offseason. Edler has had a shaky year, so I'd like to try to get him for quanitity over quality.
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