Six less goals
- LeftCoaster

16 less points as well. I like Jenner too, but give me Schenn over him for sure. I bet most Flyers fans wouldn't make that deal and most Jackets fans would, or at least around 50%(assuming they have a decent amount of fans you could ask ).

Schenn is a 1991 kid while Jenner is a 1993 kid…Brayden Schenn has 120 more NHL games under his belt. I fail to see the significant difference?
- LeftCoaster

I agree with Nucker.

Jenner scored his first and second NHL goals on October 17, 2013. Never played a playoff game.

Schenn has 79 NHL regular season points and 9 points in 11 playoff games.

Can you see the difference? I see the difference.

Any of the three IMO and we're headed in the right direction

Really like that Wennberg kid though!!

I agree with Nucker.

Jenner scored his first and second NHL goals on October 17, 2013. Never played a playoff game.

Schenn has 79 NHL regular season points and 9 points in 11 playoff games.

Can you see the difference? I see the difference.
- bloatedmosquito

Lefty's a big Jenner fan, I honestly haven't seen him play much but I've liked what I've seen from Schenn in the games I've watched this year. Jenner could turn out to be just as good or even better, but yea if I'm dealing a Ryan Kesler at least one of the young assets coming back has to be more proven than Jenner or it's too hit/miss.

But Kesler is the best. If I was to build a team around any of those players you mentioned it would be Kes.
- VANTEL

You have to trade value to get value though. Henrik is going nowhere so you have to deal Kesler to get the team competitive in the future before you end up being the Oilers.

Lefty's a big Jenner fan, I honestly haven't seen him play much but I've liked what I've seen from Schenn in the games I've watched this year. Jenner would turn out to be just as good or even better, but yea if I'm dealing a Ryan Kesler at least one of the young assets coming back has to be more proven than Jenner or it's too hit/miss.
- Nucker101

He's gonna be a good one, and I love his size for the Western Conference.

Any of the three IMO and we're headed in the right direction

Really like that Wennberg kid though!!
- LeftCoaster

Have you seen him play? 16 goals in 46 games in the SEL is pretty good for a 19 year old. What scares me is that Jensen had 17 in 50 as a 19 year old as well and he's still a work in progress for the Canucks.

The two statements without context appear contradictory. Without any situational variable I like the deal. Put into the context of the Canucks needing to win now its a bad deal. Hodgson was helping the team that year and Kassian did not.

Ehrhoff deal - The line of thinkg that 'anyone could have made the deal' discredits Gillis' pulling off a great trade. Why didn't anyone else? Think SJ wouldn't have preffered moving him out of the conference?

Booth was a buy low and hope he figures it out post-concussion. We traded nothing for him. Had Booth stayed healthy and continued his points pace would have been an unreal deal. Hindsight is 20/20. It is very difficult to get a top 6 player without giving up a lot. Look at the offers for Kes. hard to get cheap...

Ballard was coveted by many teams. AV wrecked him. Hindsight says bad move. The only part that hurts us is the cap space we lost. The pick has yet to be useful for Florida and grabner was waived.

Higgins was a great deal and still is. He was looking for depth. He was brought in as a 4th liner.... The fact that he is on our 2nd now just shows how bad our top 6 is.

Targeting: Kassian was targeted. Big skilled wingers of his potential are very hard to get. When he traded Hodgson he looked for specific players. When he traded Schneider it was because they wanted Horvat. He moved quality for quality. The other moves are part of Gillis buy low strategy. Sometimes it works and as we all know sometimes you look retarded...

Edit: Hodgson asked for a trade. Gillis did well moving him without that leaking.
- 89_hockey

You speak of hidsight when I post but you are giving credit for things that have not happened yet and may never happen. How does one put up an argument like that? How the hell do you use offers for Kes as any kind of argument? what offers? The rumor business? If you credit any of that as fact then you cant dismiss all the other poop that floats on that river...


Gillis had cap space and so few did when SJ traded Ehrhoff. That is where Gillis did good on that deal. SJ wanted no salary back. Only a couple of teams were in that position and the others were not looking for a Dman. I give him credit where its due but Im not going to exaggerate it at all.

Was Ballard coveted? We dont know just how much interest there was. Gillis says crap all the time and the media repeats it. What makes you think we were obligated to take Holden? Strange way to rationalize... it was a 1st round pick. Holden is not part of the discussion. He's irreverent just like the fact that they dumped Grabner. Not anything to do with Gillis....

You are already giving Horvat credit in his draft year like you have a crystal ball. Thy dont know where they are at with him... looks like quality,,, but so did all our 1st round picks or the Canucks wouldnt have drafted them. Your crystal ball makes being a critic easy.

Higgins was a good deal but I just argue about your comments saying these players were difficult to obtain. Higgins gets moved a lot and is a late season and playoff ghost. His best hockey in recent years has been here so that wasnt a factor.

The only person who has ever said Cody asked for a trade is Gillis. Gillis has been caught lying before. If Cody not giving the media details is proof, then Gillis just doing the same about the Kesler rumors should be taken with the same validation.

You need to establish the difference between gossip and details that we can actually see. I dont understand how you can keep playing the hindsight card with these kind of responses you provide...

I agree with Nucker.

Jenner scored his first and second NHL goals on October 17, 2013. Never played a playoff game.

Schenn has 79 NHL regular season points and 9 points in 11 playoff games.

Can you see the difference? I see the difference.
- bloatedmosquito

Couturier is probably more offensively talented than either of them, and he has size, but he's a soft player. Love the edge in B Schenn's game.

Have you seen him play? 16 goals in 46 games in the SEL is pretty good for a 19 year old. What scares me is that Jensen had 17 in 50 as a 19 year old as well and he's still a work in progress for the Canucks.
- Nucker101

Snippets here and there, read a lot of reports on him, I like what I've read.

Are on that list? Phoenix, Edmonton, Calgary, Nashville, Winnipeg...and who else?
- Nucker101

West : Edmonton, Calgary, Edmonton, Calgary, Edmonton, Calgary, Edmonton, Edmonton

East: Toronto

West : Edmonton, Calgary, Edmonton, Calgary, Edmonton, Calgary, Edmonton, Edmonton

East: Toronto
- pker2theend

Lefty's a big Jenner fan, I honestly haven't seen him play much but I've liked what I've seen from Schenn in the games I've watched this year. Jenner could turn out to be just as good or even better, but yea if I'm dealing a Ryan Kesler at least one of the young assets coming back has to be more proven than Jenner or it's too hit/miss.
- Nucker101

Agree. Not disputing the age difference but Schenn has experienced so much more. He's played for two teams. He's been traded. He's been to the playoffs. And he's played in a rabid hockey market. Not easy being a sports figure in Philly.

I just think he's just more experienced in his young NHL career. He's probably more accustomed to the NHL as a business.

Hi Carol.

Thanks for the blogs. Great work.

Can you do us a favour and let us know when you post a new blog? Thx.
- bloatedmosquito

Carol did and usually does.

Exactly St.Louis got raped.
- VANTEL

Sure did. Is Miller really that big of an upgrade from Halak?

I hope to hell I have this Tv up by the game tomorrow. I hate waiting for paint to dry.

They had no choice, or did they in your mind? I don't like Gillis as much as you do, but what else could they do in that situation? They couldn't trade Lu because of his contract, from a previous CBA, they needed a good return for Schneider and they got one. There's only one net to fill.
- LeftCoaster

All this lands on Gillis. You can word it "he had no choice" or "he put himself in a position with no other choice".

One doesnt leave room for deflection. You know how Im going to word it.

You speak of hidsight when I post but you are giving credit for things that have not happened yet and may never happen. How does one put up an argument like that? How the hell do you use offers for Kes as any kind of argument? what offers? The rumor business? If you credit any of that as fact then you cant dismiss all the other poop that floats on that river...


Gillis had cap space and so few did when SJ traded Ehrhoff. That is where Gillis did good on that deal. SJ wanted no salary back. Only a couple of teams were in that position and the others were not looking for a Dman. I give him credit where its due but Im not going to exaggerate it at all.

Was Ballard coveted? We dont know just how much interest there was. Gillis says crap all the time and the media repeats it. What makes you think we were obligated to take Holden? Strange way to rationalize... it was a 1st round pick. Holden is not part of the discussion. He's irreverent just like the fact that they dumped Grabner. Not anything to do with Gillis....

You are already giving Horvat credit in his draft year like you have a crystal ball. Thy dont know where they are at with him... looks like quality,,, but so did all our 1st round picks or the Canucks wouldnt have drafted them. Your crystal ball makes being a critic easy.

Higgins was a good deal but I just argue about your comments saying these players were difficult to obtain. Higgins gets moved a lot and is a late season and playoff ghost. His best hockey in recent years has been here so that wasnt a factor.

The only person who has ever said Cody asked for a trade is Gillis. Gillis has been caught lying before. If Cody not giving the media details is proof, then Gillis just doing the same about the Kesler rumors should be taken with the same validation.

You need to establish the difference between gossip and details that we can actually see. I dont understand how you can keep playing the hindsight card with these kind of responses you provide...
- boonerbuck

Sure did. Is Miller really that big of an upgrade from Halak?
- docmorgan

Veteran presence and he is more consistent also when he goes on a run of great goaltending he can be dam near impossible to beat. Can be a top ten imo. Halak not top 10.

Carol did and usually does.
- docmorgan

Thanks Doc. I've already admitted to my mistake. Can I be forgiven?

You speak of hidsight when I post but you are giving credit for things that have not happened yet and may never happen. How does one put up an argument like that? How the hell do you use offers for Kes as any kind of argument? what offers? The rumor business? If you credit any of that as fact then you cant dismiss all the other poop that floats on that river...


Gillis had cap space and so few did when SJ traded Ehrhoff. That is where Gillis did good on that deal. SJ wanted no salary back. Only a couple of teams were in that position and the others were not looking for a Dman. I give him credit where its due but Im not going to exaggerate it at all.

Was Ballard coveted? We dont know just how much interest there was. Gillis says crap all the time and the media repeats it. What makes you think we were obligated to take Holden? Strange way to rationalize... it was a 1st round pick. Holden is not part of the discussion. He's irreverent just like the fact that they dumped Grabner. Not anything to do with Gillis....

You are already giving Horvat credit in his draft year like you have a crystal ball. Thy dont know where they are at with him... looks like quality,,, but so did all our 1st round picks or the Canucks wouldnt have drafted them. Your crystal ball makes being a critic easy.

Higgins was a good deal but I just argue about your comments saying these players were difficult to obtain. Higgins gets moved a lot and is a late season and playoff ghost. His best hockey in recent years has been here so that wasnt a factor.

The only person who has ever said Cody asked for a trade is Gillis. Gillis has been caught lying before. If Cody not giving the media details is proof, then Gillis just doing the same about the Kesler rumors should be taken with the same validation.

You need to establish the difference between gossip and details that we can actually see. I dont understand how you can keep playing the hindsight card with these kind of responses you provide...
- boonerbuck

Really not going to comment much more on this. Almost everything in the NHL comes from unsubstantiated sources. This is not academic study where people attach their names and publish documents. Even the most accredited insiders use vague and committal statements when giving inside information. If Gillis says he asked for a trade and Hodgson says he did not how are we to know who is telling the truth... All speculation. My arguments were not predicated on a crystal ball assuming their are goign to work out as they are projected. Projections when dealing with future assets are all you have. Horvat is a top 10 pick with a good pedigree. To get a prospect like that you have to give up a lot... No guarantees he works out...

It is easy to cherry pick Gillis faults and mistakes. I thought you were cherry picking a bit and not giving him credit for things he has done well. I do agree with a lot you have to say...

Keep hyping the bad and discrediting the good. Gillis had no part in the purchase of the farm team.... Let's continue with this. The owner could have: said no to the ballard, booth and pahlson trades. He could have said no to giving all the NTCs and trading draft picks. When we really look at it this is all on the owner. He has to sign off on the moves thus its all him!!!!

Gillis has made some horrendous moves and some good ones. I'm in the middle on him. The recent push towards drafting, developing and retooling has me more on his side. That and the fact he got a contract extension... We are stuck with him for the moment.
- 89_hockey

Are you serious? FA stopping all Gillis' bad trades... wow....

Im surprised,,,,er, maybe not,,, that you think you cant fire a GM under contract. They are stuck with no GM or coach. They are replaced, sometimes money is wasted while they sit but more times than not they move on, get a new contract and terminate the old one.

Thanks Doc. I've already admitted to my mistake. Can I be forgiven?
- bloatedmosquito

Never never never

Veteran presence and he is more consistent also when he goes on a run of great goaltending he can be dam near impossible to beat. Can be a top ten imo. Halak not top 10.
- thundachunk

Miller is definitely top 10, has been for years IMO. When he's on his "A" game he can be one of the top 3 goalies in the game and can steal games on his own. Halak has been mediocre for them, but then again some goalies thrive on teams that give up a lot of shots and have solid sv%'s, but when playing on team that gives up less shots they have a lower sv%.

You are speaking of this core right? Most now believe in keep this core intact at all costs are why we havent moved further forward. This core doesnt appear to want to stay in tact even... keeping them together when players want out has hurt this team even....

Sure hindsight makes being a GM easy.... but not having any hidsight makes it impossible to learn anything.
- boonerbuck

Nope.