I'm really hoping they have enough sense to ask Timonen to approve a trade to a contender. If he agrees, I'd offer him and our 2nd in 2014 to Anaheim for Ottawa's 1st in 2014 which they acquired in the Ryan deal.

If they make that trade, they should end up with at least one and possibly 2 lottery picks this year.
- BiggE

I don't see Anaheim giving up a potential lottery pick for Timonen.

He's producing points, but still not filling their need for a guy who can transition the puck from D to O... like Kimmo does, and Carle/Pronger did.
- Tomahawk

I disagree with that. Streit is doing a solid job moving the puck, and is a very good outlet passer.

And previously, Coburn had to go. How is a player like Lecavalier, who has been a very good player his entire career, suddenly completely useless? Give him a chance to get healthy and adjust to the LW position.
- MJL

Some vets just can't make that adjustment. Back in the late 70s the Flyers tried to make Rick Macleish a LW, it just didn't work. They also tried it with Mel Bridgman around 80, 81 and he just wasn't as good a player at LW. It's usually best to make a switch like that when a player is much younger. Guys like Pelle Eklund, Murray Craven and Simon Gagne made the switch from C to LW between the ages of 19-22.

I don't see Anaheim giving up a potential lottery pick for Timonen.
- MJL

I wouldn't, but GMs have a habit of making bad deals at the deadline when they think they can win the Cup.

I disagree with that. Streit is doing a solid job moving the puck, and is a very good outlet passer.
- MJL

So why is it that after singing him, they're still in the market for a puck-mover to improve the mix?

I wouldn't, but GMs have a habit of making bad deals at the deadline when they think they can win the Cup.
- BiggE

Still can't believe STL threw in a conditional 1st in 2014 if Miller re-signs or they make the conf finals. I'm not sure I'd trade Stewart/Halak for Miller/Ott considering contract statuses straight up, much less throw in consecutive 1st's.

Some vets just can't make that adjustment. Back in the late 70s the Flyers tried to make Rick Macleish a LW, it just didn't work. They also tried it with Mel Bridgman around 80, 81 and he just wasn't as good a player at LW. It's usually best to make a switch like that when a player is much younger. Guys like Pelle Eklund, Murray Craven and Simon Gagne made the switch from C to LW between the ages of 19-22.
- BiggE

That doesn't mean that Lecavalier can't make the switch. I'll repeat what I've said multiple times. Rushes to judgement are often proven wrong. Not taking into consideration the injury and the position switch when looking at Lecavalier is unfair to the player. I'm going to give it some time and see what happens.

So why is it that after singing him, they're still in the market for a puck-mover to improve the mix?
- Tomahawk

Because you need more then one. And the Flyers defensive mix is still too heavy on the stay at home defensive side.

Because you need more then one.
- MJL

Kimmo and Gus are... ?

Kimmo and Gus are... ?
- Tomahawk

Are Kimmo and Gustafsson guaranteed to be a part of the Flyers future going forward? Or are the Flyers operating inside a bubble of only looking at this Season when looking at player moves?

Are Kimmo and Gustafsson guaranteed to be a part of the Flyers future going forward? Or are the Flyers operating inside a bubble of only looking at this Season when looking at player moves?
- MJL

They're at opposite ends of a 'career', too.

Kimmo's on his way out, and Gus isn't quite ready for a full-time role, apparently.

Are Kimmo and Gustafsson guaranteed to be a part of the Flyers future going forward? Or are the Flyers operating inside a bubble of only looking at this Season when looking at player moves?
- MJL

... because the Flyers don't have anyone good on the horizon or something?

And Streit isn't particularly at the age to be making that kind of argument. There's no guarantee he'll be good past this year, much less throughout the life of that deal.

That doesn't mean that Lecavalier can't make the switch. I'll repeat what I've said multiple times. Rushes to judgement are often proven wrong. Not taking into consideration the injury and the position switch when looking at Lecavalier is unfair to the player. I'm going to give it some time and see what happens.
- MJL

I agree that you need to give him time, I'm just doubtful that he will ever be as effective as a winger in comparison to his effectiveness at center.

They're at opposite ends of a 'career', too.

Kimmo's on his way out, and Gus isn't quite ready for a full-time role, apparently.
- tangent_man

I don't know what the deal is with Gustafsson or how the Flyers feel about him. I think he's played well for the most part. But Meszaros has also played well. I'd like to see Gustafsson get consistent playing time. Maybe their looking to move Meszaros so they want to play him. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward if Meszaros isn't traded.

Because you need more then one. And the Flyers defensive mix is still too heavy on the stay at home defensive side.
- MJL

And while Streit is skilled, they still need more speed on D

That doesn't mean that Lecavalier can't make the switch. I'll repeat what I've said multiple times. Rushes to judgement are often proven wrong. Not taking into consideration the injury and the position switch when looking at Lecavalier is unfair to the player. I'm going to give it some time and see what happens.
- MJL

Was Briere a successful conversion to the wing? Because I think your judgement is cloudy if you do.

... because the Flyers don't have anyone good on the horizon or something?

And Streit isn't particularly at the age to be making that kind of argument. There's no guarantee he'll be good past this year, much less throughout the life of that deal.
- Tomahawk

I dont have a problem with Streit's play in the slightest actually, his contract isn't the greatest but that's the environment. Not his fault hes overpaid, albeit slightly

I don't know what the deal is with Gustafsson or how the Flyers feel about him. I think he's played well for the most part. But Meszaros has also played well. I'd like to see Gustafsson get consistent playing time. Maybe their looking to move Meszaros so they want to play him. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward if Meszaros isn't traded.
- MJL

My guess, and its only a guess, is that they feel that Gustafsson can only be effective as a 3rd pairing guy who doesn't get matched up against top lines. As Bill has said, he gets "protected" minutes.

... because the Flyers don't have anyone good on the horizon or something?

And Streit isn't particularly at the age to be making that kind of argument. There's no guarantee he'll be good past this year, much less throughout the life of that deal.
- Tomahawk

There's no guarantee any player will continue to be a good player. So this point is mute. Doesn't change what kind of player that Streit is, and what he's brought to the Flyers team. And trying to back up a statement that Streit isn't a good puck mover with how come the Flyers are looking for another one, doesn't hold water.

going to the game today in the flyers box. y'all got anything you want me to tell homer or "mr" snider? besides we all you......

Was Briere a successful conversion to the wing? Because I think your judgement is cloudy if you do.
- Just5

Briere had a lot of issues including injuries that affected his play here. A player, especially one that has played one position all his career needs some time to adjust, especially when playing his off wing. And what Briere did really has zero to do with Lecavalier.

My guess, and its only a guess, is that they feel that Gustafsson can only be effective as a 3rd pairing guy who doesn't get matched up against top lines. As Bill has said, he gets "protected" minutes.
- BiggE

Well that's okay, because it can give the Flyers a solid 3rd pair guy with mobility, and who is inexpensive. What's wrong with that?

My guess, and its only a guess, is that they feel that Gustafsson can only be effective as a 3rd pairing guy who doesn't get matched up against top lines. As Bill has said, he gets "protected" minutes.
- BiggE

Difficult to grow as a player while having a mostly bird's eye view of the games.

Difficult to grow as a player while having a mostly bird's eye view of the games.
- tangent_man

I agree. I can't believe that being moved in and out of the lineup is a good situation for a young player to get in a groove and establish himself.

Well that's okay, because it can give the Flyers a solid 3rd pair guy with mobility, and who is inexpensive. What's wrong with that?
- MJL

Nothing wrong with it.