Kesler is arguably a better winger than a centre. Canucks fans have wanted a playmaking centre for the 2nd line for ages so they can move him to the wing permanently.

He's also a beast in the circle, though.

I get it, though, Pens fans don't want to give full value for a guy who would end up being their 3C.

But that really doesn't affect Kesler's actual trade value at all.
- Fosco

You think Poulliot/Despre a 1st and sutter are not proper compensation?

He could thrive as a full time RW'er if needed IMO. He plays that style of game anyways, shoot-first, goes to the net and plays physical. Not a great passer or playmaker but every other aspect of his game is very strong. He'd score 30+ easy full-time with Crosby with a decent shot at 40 again while being great on the PP and PK as well.
- Nucker101

We have heard this he would score 30 + full time with Crosby way too much. Blah, blah, blah. Hey, I like the way the guy plays and wouldn't mind him. However, he makes zero sense right now. We have little cap room and more pressing needs. If he is with Crosby fulltime, we need a quality third line center because that is how the Pens are built. He is a waste as a third line center here and probably would pout. I don't want to give up any assets above and beyond for something that doesn't solve the problem, but creates more.

We have heard this he would score 30 + full time with Crosby way too much. Blah, blah, blah. Hey, I like the way the guy plays and wouldn't mind him. However, he makes zero sense right now. We have little cap room and more pressing needs. If he is with Crosby fulltime, we need a quality third line center because that is how the Pens are built. He is a waste as a third line center here and probably would pout. I don't want to give up any assets above and beyond for something that doesn't solve the problem, but creates more.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah, like I said this whole scenario is highly unlikely. I believe he prefers to play center as well.

We have heard this he would score 30 + full time with Crosby way too much. Blah, blah, blah. Hey, I like the way the guy plays and wouldn't mind him. However, he makes zero sense right now. We have little cap room and more pressing needs. If he is with Crosby fulltime, we need a quality third line center because that is how the Pens are built. He is a waste as a third line center here and probably would pout. I don't want to give up any assets above and beyond for something that doesn't solve the problem, but creates more.
- Oneonta Penguin

How does it create more if it eliminates one and adds one?

You think Poulliot/Despre a 1st and sutter are not proper compensation?
- dbell646

Change Pouliot/Depres with a legit young F prospect, and it's a start.

The Canucks don't really need Sutter, with several two-way centres likely being ready within the next two years.

The Canucks are also quite deep at D, despite both the prospects you listed being very good.

It just doesn't fit the teams desperate need—top 6 talent.

And the 1st will almost certainly be a very late one in a weak draft.

So, no, it's not proper compensation, and it doesn't fit Vancouver's needs at all.

Also, there will be a bidding war if Kesler's actually available, and many teams will top that offer.

There's just not a fit between the two teams.

Kesler is not worth 3 1st round picks. That in essence what that offer is. Not happening unless Vancouver retains a maximum 50% of his salary which again is also not happening
- Deadstar

A first round pick and a player who a first round pick was used on are very different things. I'm pretty sure Ottawa (for instance) would trade Jim O'Brien, Jared Cowan, and Stefan Noesen for Kesler. They're 3 1st round picks. Much different than trading Karlsson, Zibanejad, and a 2014 1st.

We have heard this he would score 30 + full time with Crosby way too much. Blah, blah, blah. Hey, I like the way the guy plays and wouldn't mind him. However, he makes zero sense right now. We have little cap room and more pressing needs. If he is with Crosby fulltime, we need a quality third line center because that is how the Pens are built. He is a waste as a third line center here and probably would pout. I don't want to give up any assets above and beyond for something that doesn't solve the problem, but creates more.
- Oneonta Penguin

He can score 30 + without Crosby.

We were just saying that he can play wing full time, not just the odd shift.

A first round pick and a player who a first round pick was used on are very different things. I'm pretty sure Ottawa (for instance) would trade Jim O'Brien, Jared Cowan, and Stefan Noesen for Kesler. They're 3 1st round picks. Much different than trading Karlsoon, Zibanejad, and a 2014 1st.
- jmatchett383

Exactly, that's such a bizarre way of looking at things.

It's always interesting to see/hear what the valuation of one of your players is from fans of other teams, but these Sutter+ trade proposals are god awful. A wheel here + a few doors and a bumper doesn't make a Ford Mustang.

I honestly don't think Pittsburgh have the pieces to make this deal, but if you understand you'll likely have to give up something you may not want to give up then the offers might be more in the realm of reality.

Scooby demands Kunitz so he can be sat out like he deserves. Deal?
- Nucker101

Not a chance. They guy has two cups and an Olympic gold medal.

It's always interesting to see/hear what the valuation of one of your players is from fans of other teams, but these Sutter+ trade proposals are god awful. A wheel here + a few doors and a bumper doesn't make a Ford Mustang.

I honestly don't think Pittsburgh have the pieces to make this deal, but if you understand you'll likely have to give up something you may not want to give up then the offers might be more in the realm of reality.
- AlexF

I really don't think any "big names" will be bringing in equal value. So few teams want to move assets because no team in either conference has separated themselves as the clear-cut favorite.

Not a chance. They guy has two cups and an Olympic gold medal.
- Ben37

Sarcasm.

It's always interesting to see/hear what the valuation of one of your players is from fans of other teams, but these Sutter+ trade proposals are god awful. A wheel here + a few doors and a bumper doesn't make a Ford Mustang.

I honestly don't think Pittsburgh have the pieces to make this deal, but if you understand you'll likely have to give up something you may not want to give up then the offers might be more in the realm of reality.
- AlexF

I don't want Kesler, but he is better than Sutter. So Sutter+ is where my value stands.

I mean it's a wheel + a couple doors for a guy who has been so injury plagued that he is equivalent to a Caravan with a broken fan belt.

Sarcasm.
- Fosco

Really....damn.

Really....damn.
- Ben37

Gets the best of us at times...

It's always interesting to see/hear what the valuation of one of your players is from fans of other teams, but these Sutter+ trade proposals are god awful. A wheel here + a few doors and a bumper doesn't make a Ford Mustang.
- AlexF

It's rare that a "star" player (who is publicly seeking a trade) brings in equal value. There's no way Pittsburgh gives up any of their top-rate defensive prospects. They don't have many top-rate forward prospects, so they're not moving. They're not going to move any of their top-6 forwards or any defensemen minus maybe Engelland. For Kesler, the deal revolves around Sutter and non-1st-round picks. He doesn't improve the Penguins' chances enough for a major shake up.

Gets the best of us at times...
- Fosco

Indeed. It's just so hard to understand.

For a while we were using Italics as the official sarcasm font. We might have to reinstate that idea.

Indeed. It's just so hard to understand.

For a while we were using Italics as the official sarcasm font. We might have to reinstate that idea.
- Ben37

I second that emotion.

It's rare that a "star" player (who is publicly seeking a trade) brings in equal value. There's no way Pittsburgh gives up any of their top-rate defensive prospects. They don't have many top-rate forward prospects, so they're not moving. They're not going to move any of their top-6 forwards or any defensemen minus maybe Engelland. For Kesler, the deal revolves around Sutter and non-1st-round picks. He doesn't improve the Penguins' chances enough for a major shake up.
- jmatchett383

God ... you are stealing my thunder.

It's rare that a "star" player (who is publicly seeking a trade) brings in equal value. There's no way Pittsburgh gives up any of their top-rate defensive prospects. They don't have many top-rate forward prospects, so they're not moving. They're not going to move any of their top-6 forwards or any defensemen minus maybe Engelland. For Kesler, the deal revolves around Sutter and non-1st-round picks. He doesn't improve the Penguins' chances enough for a major shake up.
- jmatchett383

Are you kidding? If Kesler went to the Pens, they'd immediately become the favorites for the cup. Remember how good the 2009 team was when Staal was still playing on it?

All the Penguins would need after that would be a top 6 RW... Would they want Hemsky? We'll give him away for cheap!

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you bold something that someone said in a comment?

It's rare that a "star" player (who is publicly seeking a trade) brings in equal value. There's no way Pittsburgh gives up any of their top-rate defensive prospects. They don't have many top-rate forward prospects, so they're not moving. They're not going to move any of their top-6 forwards or any defensemen minus maybe Engelland. For Kesler, the deal revolves around Sutter and non-1st-round picks. He doesn't improve the Penguins' chances enough for a major shake up.
- jmatchett383

Are you kidding?

Kesler hasn't demanded anything—this is a report from Louis Jean, not exactly the pinnacle of reputable sources.

It's also far different than the Luongo situation. Kesler is signed at an absolute bargain $5m/season for two more years.

Sutter and a non-1st will put Gillis in hysterics.

The package you suggest won't even get one of the top rentals this season, most of which Kesler is much better than.

This is just ridiculous.

There is no way that Letang is back this season, is there?

I was under the impression that he was just resting/recovering and on blood thinners, but he's still having symptoms a month later. Even once off the blood thinners and with no more symptons, you'd think that there would be several series of tests that he must go through to make sure nothing like this or worse happens again.
- rival22

He's out IMO.

Are you kidding? If Kesler went to the Pens, they'd immediately become the favorites for the cup. Remember how good the 2009 team was when Staal was still playing on it?

All the Penguins would need after that would be a top 6 RW... Would they want Hemsky? We'll give him away for cheap!
- TomKlassen

That 2009 team was 4 lines deep and had a better defense than this team does. Plus, MAF played the best hockey of his career. Kesler or not, Pittsburgh (while very good) is not a favorite over Chicago, maybe even Boston.

It's rare that a "star" player (who is publicly seeking a trade) brings in equal value. There's no way Pittsburgh gives up any of their top-rate defensive prospects. They don't have many top-rate forward prospects, so they're not moving. They're not going to move any of their top-6 forwards or any defensemen minus maybe Engelland. For Kesler, the deal revolves around Sutter and non-1st-round picks. He doesn't improve the Penguins' chances enough for a major shake up.
- jmatchett383

I agree and I didn't ask for equal value. I asked for value. Suter brings no value to an organization that has quite a few 3rd liners already.

Like I said, PIT doesn't have the pieces to make it work for both teams. Moving along...