Baby kesler?
- pker2theend

I was thinking granny...

I believe he has a NTC. Lets just hope he doesn't pull a MSL/Iggy. Knowing Kesler, he probably just wants to go to a big market in the states that has a decent team so that leaves a decent amount of teams in the equation, many who would likely be interested. Philly's loved him for a long time and we all know that Philly doesn't like losing a bidding war. And this trade isn't happening at the TDL anyways, it would very likely take place at the draft or around then when the cap goes up and a few more compliance buyouts are used, teams will have more cap space to acquire an Edler or Kesler.

I agree that the Pens are very unlikely as a fit.
- Nucker101

Well, in the case of Philly, they've used up both of their compliance buyouts and if I'm not mistaken, any team that wanted to use one had to do so before THIS season or they were lost. But I'm not 100% certain about that 2nd half there.

But the point I'm making is that he still controls his own destination and the other teams know that he wants gone. Most of the time (there are exceptions), when that happens, the return is below market value if the player didn't have control or if teams didn't know he wanted out.

Well, in the case of Philly, they've used up both of their compliance buyouts and if I'm not mistaken, any team that wanted to use one had to do so before THIS season or they were lost. But I'm not 100% certain about that 2nd half there.

But the point I'm making is that he still controls his own destination and the other teams know that he wants gone. Most of the time (there are exceptions), when that happens, the return is below market value if the player didn't have control or if teams didn't know he wanted out.
- ScienceJesus

I guess we'll see how it plays out, I think he'd be happy just to go to a team that fit the criteria that I posted. Big American market and a decent team that has a good shot at getting into the playoffs with him.

I just a kick out of seeing you guys go into your sales mode for a guy who would be the Penguins third line centre. It was the same routine with Luongo last year. Maybe I shouldn't find this funny but I do.
- Canada Cup

But he would be a Leaf best. Player so wallow in your glory.

But he would be a Leaf best. Player so wallow in your glory.
- VANTEL

I don't think that he was being serious. That has troll statement written all over it. Yeah, the Canucks really have to "sell" Kesler to other teams.

For a team out west, it makes you wonder what our scouting department is doing.


http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00008756.html
- Scooby_Doo

Canucks arguably have the worst head scout in the league, Ron Delorme.

Gillis would laugh and hang up at Sutter straight across and you know it. Maybe a defensive prospect? Sutter and one of them is a decent starting point. You're not getting him at the same price as what guys like Moulson will get traded for as rentals(!).
- Nucker101

Pretty much.

That post wasn't even worth responding to. Guy's either kidding himself, or just being bitter.

Like you said, guys like Kesler don't become available often, especially at the TDL with 2 years remaining at $5m/season.

Guys like Kesler will be getting $7m+ long term in UFA.

Canucks arguably have the worst head scout in the league, Ron Delorme.
- kaptaan

Delorme hasn't been head scout for a while.

He was "re-assigned."

Which is a nice way of saying "demoted."

Eric Crawford, for all intents and purposes, is the Canucks head scout now, despite not having that as a title.

There's a pretty detailed discussion on this over at HF.

Wow that's a tough question, I think that if the right deal came along I would trade anyone but Sid and Zach Sill.
- nbartley9

I love Fleury but unfortunately I think I love Fleury the person and not the player. I probably make that trade

Gillis would laugh and hang up at Sutter straight across and you know it. Maybe a defensive prospect? Sutter and one of them is a decent starting point. You're not getting him at the same price as what guys like Moulson will get traded for as rentals(!).
- Nucker101

Fine.

Sutter, Gibbons and an NCAA prospect.

Fine.

Sutter, Gibbons and an NCAA prospect.
- Ben37

Scooby demands Kunitz so he can be sat out like he deserves. Deal?

The Penguins had the incentive and the opportunity last summer to make changes to a team which - let's be clear - isn't under-performing; it is self-destructing in the playoffs. A minor rebuild means that Malkin and Crosby are both retained.

The way Pittsburgh re-committed to a losing model is far more like D.C., who are losers, than Chicago, who are twice winners since 2009. This whole thread, in fact, is about trying to revert more to that old model.

I predict that the longer the Penguins embrace the model which has been under use since, say, 2010, the more drastic the eventual change will be. The difference is that last summer, Kris Letang was at the very peak of his trade value. The same may be true of Evgeni Malkin. It's hard to fathom that Malkin's trade value is going to go up. It's all very disappointing.
- Johnny Wrath

Exactly

Canucks arguably have the worst head scout in the league, Ron Delorme.
- kaptaan

Yeah, as Fosco stated he's been demoted which was a great move. I believe they also hired one of the Blues former scouts or scouting directors which was a great move since they've drafted well.

I would want Maata, plus more. Nothing less. Jordan Staal is definitely not Ryan Kesler.
- lkeh73

and that is why people probably think you need medication to help with your problem. That isn't realistic.

There is no way that Letang is back this season, is there?

I was under the impression that he was just resting/recovering and on blood thinners, but he's still having symptoms a month later. Even once off the blood thinners and with no more symptons, you'd think that there would be several series of tests that he must go through to make sure nothing like this or worse happens again.

Fine.

Sutter, Gibbons and an NCAA prospect.
- Ben37

We'll throw in Chris Conner and a 4th round pick too

Yeah, I'm sorry but you're not getting Kesler at below market value.
- Nucker101

That is fine. He really doesn't make any sense for Pittsburgh whatsoever to give up good assets for a third line center. Then again, you have an idiot for a GM, so I'm not sure you will get market value.

That is fine. He really doesn't make any sense for Pittsburgh whatsoever to give up good assets for a third line center. Then again, you have an idiot for a GM, so I'm not sure you will get market value.
- Oneonta Penguin

Agreed. After reading this post I'm now willing to accept Tanner Glass.

Not if he's also getting 16+ minutes with PP and PK time and throw him out there with Sid at RW when you need a goal. He'd be amazing in that role as well.

Crosby-Malkin-Kesler would be one of the best 1-2-3 center punches in a long time. My goodness.... And especially in the East where I only see Pit/Bos are true elite teams, the Pens would be a lock to make the ECF every year if the big guns stay healthy IMO.
- Nucker101

We need full time wingers, not one just to stick out there when you need a goal in the closing moments.

There is no way that Letang is back this season, is there?

I was under the impression that he was just resting/recovering and on blood thinners, but he's still having symptoms a month later. Even once off the blood thinners and with no more symptons, you'd think that there would be several series of tests that he must go through to make sure nothing like this or worse happens again.
- rival22

He said he has another 3 weeks before another series of tests. I would assume it's at least another 3/4 weeks if all those tests came back ok. Shero is a full if he doesn't LTIR him and use that space to upgrade the team

Kesler is not worth 3 1st round picks. That in essence what that offer is. Not happening unless Vancouver retains a maximum 50% of his salary which again is also not happening
- Deadstar

Are Bennett or Sutter playing like first round picks? Again, I don't think it makes sense at all, but if Shero wants him, I'd do a Sutter, Bennett and a first. Part of that is because I don't see Bennett making an impact here.

We need full time wingers, not one just to stick out there when you need a goal in the closing moments.
- Oneonta Penguin

Kesler is arguably a better winger than a centre. Canucks fans have wanted a playmaking centre for the 2nd line for ages so they can move him to the wing permanently.

He's also a beast in the circle, though.

I get it, though, Pens fans don't want to give full value for a guy who would end up being their 3C.

But that really doesn't affect Kesler's actual trade value at all.

We need full time wingers, not one just to stick out there when you need a goal in the closing moments.
- Oneonta Penguin

He could thrive as a full time RW'er if needed IMO. He plays that style of game anyways, shoot-first, goes to the net and plays physical. Not a great passer or playmaker but every other aspect of his game is very strong. He'd score 30+ easy full-time with Crosby with a decent shot at 40 again while being great on the PP and PK as well.

Since 2008-09:
Blackhawks have won 10 playoff series
Bruins -9
Penguins - 7
Red Wings - 6
Kings - 6
Caps - 3

Yes... the Blackhawks are the best of the best right now, but let's not get carried away and compare the Pens to the Caps in the playoffs.

And the Blackhawks haven't been without their two best forwards for 200+ games during that span either.
- rival22

Your forgot
Flyers -5

Kesler is arguably a better winger than a centre. Canucks fans have wanted a playmaking centre for the 2nd line for ages so they can move him to the wing permanently.

He's also a beast in the circle, though.

I get it, though, Pens fans don't want to give full value for a guy who would end up being their 3C.

But that really doesn't affect Kesler's actual trade value at all.
- Fosco

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