Are you kidding?

Kesler hasn't demanded anything—this is a report from Louis Jean, not exactly the pinnacle of reputable sources.

It's also far different than the Luongo situation. Kesler is signed at an absolute bargain $5m/season for two more years.

Sutter and a non-1st will put Gillis in hysterics.

The package you suggest won't even get one of the top rentals this season, most of which Kesler is much better than.

This is just ridiculous.
- Fosco

You guys act like Kesler is God and will magically fix all of Pittsburgh's problems/holes, and therefore they should be lucky to trade 17 first round picks as well as Sidney Crosby for him. There's no way the Pens sacrifice the future while the team still has a wide open window for an upgrade at the 3C position (yes, that's where he'd play). If you don't want a package built around Sutter, then he's not coming there.

Did anyone watch the IN THE ROOM marathon last night on NHL network?

You guys act like Kesler is God and will magically fix all of Pittsburgh's problems/holes, and therefore they should be lucky to trade 17 first round picks as well as Sidney Crosby for him. There's no way the Pens sacrifice the future while the team still has a wide open window for an upgrade at the 3C position (yes, that's where he'd play). If you don't want a package built around Sutter, then he's not coming there.
- jmatchett383

Pittsburgh might not.

But somebody will.

As I said, the package you propose won't even get the top rentals this year.

Kesler is in the same echelon, but has two years left at $5m.

A few teams will make serious pushes if he's actually available...

A first round pick and a player who a first round pick was used on are very different things. I'm pretty sure Ottawa (for instance) would trade Jim O'Brien, Jared Cowan, and Stefan Noesen for Kesler. They're 3 1st round picks. Much different than trading Karlsson, Zibanejad, and a 2014 1st.
- jmatchett383

But Kesler was a first round pick too, so basically he cancels out Sutter. After that we are just giving the Canucks a first and Bennett for free

Pittsburgh might not.

But somebody will.

As I said, the package you propose won't even get the top rentals this year.

Kesler is in the same echelon, but has two years left at $5m.

A few teams will make serious pushes if he's actually available...
- Fosco

What value are you looking for, and what contending team is going to give you that? What contending team is in need of a second line center and will give up top assets (future and/or present) to get him?

God ... you are stealing my thunder.
- Oneonta Penguin

Seriously. Tell that Flyers fan to shut it!

Did anyone watch the IN THE ROOM marathon last night on NHL network?
- nbartley9

Yes. They are all also on the Pens website. Good stuff

But Kesler was a first round pick too, so basically he cancels out Sutter. After that we are just giving the Canucks a first and Bennett for free
- rival22

Good point. I think the Penguins should trade Crosby to the Flyers for Vinny Lecavalier and Luke Schenn. That's 2 first round picks for one. What a steal!

He's out IMO.
- Ryan_Wilson

Yea. I cant see him coming back this year.

Seriously. Tell that Flyers fan to shut it!
- Deadstar

Ah I'm sorry. I'll get back to severely overrating Vancouver players on a TML scale while devaluing all Penguins players because they play on the same team as Sidney Crosby.

Maata, Bennett, Zatkoff, Pouliot, and 3 1sts for Kesler!!!

Yes. They are all also on the Pens website. Good stuff
- Deadstar

The episode with Zach Sill was legendary TV, I love that kind of player.

What value are you looking for, and what contending team is going to give you that? What contending team is in need of a second line center and will give up top assets (future and/or present) to get him?
- jmatchett383

A young top-6 (or at least top-6 potential) forward, a 1st, and another valuable asset.

There are definitely teams that will offer that.

I guess we'll have to see. I still don't think he'll be traded before the TDL.

I don't think I'm overvaluing Kesler at all. He's a beast at both ends of the ice.

If he were a rental, he'd be one of the top-3 available this season—the return you suggest isn't even enough to get one of the top rentals.

But Kesler's remaining two years at a bargain price will make him even more valuable.

I don't even think Kesler wants a trade , I think it's all bull. I agree with others who said previously a team that actually NEEDS Kesler for a cup run doesn't have assets/cap room to acquire him. The soonest he gets traded is the off season.

A young top-6 (or at least top-6 potential) forward, a 1st, and another valuable asset.

There are definitely teams that will offer that.

I guess we'll have to see. I still don't think he'll be traded before the TDL.

I don't think I'm overvaluing Kesler at all. He's a beast at both ends of the ice.

If he were a rental, he'd be one of the top-3 available this season—the return you suggest isn't even enough to get one of the top rentals.

But Kesler's remaining two years at a bargain price will make him even more valuable.
- Fosco

You don't think Sutter poulliot and a 1st would get any of the available rentals? Ha Ha Ha it would get any of them.

I don't even think Kesler wants a trade , I think it's all bull. I agree with others who said previously a team that actually NEEDS Kesler for a cup run doesn't have assets/cap room to acquire him. The soonest he gets traded is the off season.
- Bradlee3

I agree typically bigger moves like this don't happen until the off season. It's fun to speculate though

You guys act like Kesler is God and will magically fix all of Pittsburgh's problems/holes, and therefore they should be lucky to trade 17 first round picks as well as Sidney Crosby for him. There's no way the Pens sacrifice the future while the team still has a wide open window for an upgrade at the 3C position (yes, that's where he'd play). If you don't want a package built around Sutter, then he's not coming there.
- jmatchett383

So, Vancouver's team can't score in a whore house with a fist full of 50s and Kesler is this player that can score 30 goals without Crosby, so the question of the day ... why does Vancouver want to trade him, IF he didn't ask for a trade? I'm interested in the responses.

Pittsburgh has sacrificed futures in stupid trades in the past - Iginla last year for starters. There is no need to go down that well now considering Kesler doesn't come close to answering out biggest holes in the lineup.

You don't think Sutter poulliot and a 1st would get any of the available rentals? Ha Ha Ha it would get any of them.
- dbell646

He said Sutter and a non-1st pick.

Of course the package you suggest would.

But it wouldn't be attractive enough for the Canucks to trade Kesler. Not necessarily because of the value, but because they need top-6 talent, not a 3C and defense prospect.

A young top-6 (or at least top-6 potential) forward, a 1st, and another valuable asset.

There are definitely teams that will offer that.

I guess we'll have to see. I still don't think he'll be traded before the TDL.

I don't think I'm overvaluing Kesler at all. He's a beast at both ends of the ice.

If he were a rental, he'd be one of the top-3 available this season—the return you suggest isn't even enough to get one of the top rentals.

But Kesler's remaining two years at a bargain price will make him even more valuable.
- Fosco

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So, Vancouver's team can't score in a whore house with a fist full of 50s and Kesler is this player that can score 30 goals without Crosby, so the question of the day ... why does Vancouver want to trade him, IF he didn't ask for a trade? I'm interested in the responses.

Pittsburgh has sacrificed futures in stupid trades in the past - Iginla last year for starters. There is no need to go down that well now considering Kesler doesn't come close to answering out biggest holes in the lineup.
- Oneonta Penguin

Kesler is on pace for around 30 on an anemic offense and a 2nd line where he's the only top-6 forward.

A young top-6 (or at least top-6 potential) forward, a 1st, and another valuable asset.

There are definitely teams that will offer that.

I guess we'll have to see. I still don't think he'll be traded before the TDL.

I don't think I'm overvaluing Kesler at all. He's a beast at both ends of the ice.

If he were a rental, he'd be one of the top-3 available this season—the return you suggest isn't even enough to get one of the top rentals.

But Kesler's remaining two years at a bargain price will make him even more valuable.
- Fosco

So you're telling me that a contending team is going to sacrifice a young top-6 forward (remember Kesler is a not-so-young top-6 forward), plus a 1st round pick, and another "valuable" asset? I don't think so chummmm....p.

So you're telling me that a contending team is going to sacrifice a young top-6 forward (remember Kesler is a not-so-young top-6 forward), plus a 1st round pick, and another "valuable" asset? I don't think so chummmm....p.
- jmatchett383

Not necessarily a young top-6 roster player, but a prospect, sure.

Not really sure why my post warranted name-calling either...

Kesler is on pace for around 30 on an anemic offense and a 2nd line where he's the only top-6 forward.
- Fosco

you didn't answer my question. If he is all that and a bag of chips (I think alot of him, but you make him out to be the second coming), why would Vancouver trade him since he is probably their best player. God knows he is better than the Sedins. Maybe you should trade those guys instead.

you didn't answer my question. If he is all that and a bag of chips (I think alot of him, but you make him out to be the second coming), why would Vancouver trade him since he is probably their best player. God knows he is better than the Sedins. Maybe you should trade those guys instead.
- Oneonta Penguin

I don't think he's better than Henrik.

This whole conversation is based on the rumour that Kesler wants out.

That would be the only reason they would trade him. But it's not like they have to.

Whether the rumour is true, we'll have to find out.

Not necessarily a young top-6 roster player, but a prospect, sure.

Not really sure why my post warranted name-calling either...
- Fosco

Because it's ludicrous. You're bording on Maple Leafs overvaluing of players.

And you still haven't told me which contending team is going to sacrifice 3 significant assets for a 2nd line center.

Edit: IF he gets traded, I think fair returns would be:

A top-6 forward + 2nd + 3rd
A top prospect, a bottom-6 forward, and a 2nd
A middle prospect + 1st

I don't see any team selling half the farm for him.

Because it's ludicrous. You're bording on Maple Leafs overvaluing of players.

And you still haven't told me which contending team is going to sacrifice 3 significant assets for a 2nd line center.
- jmatchett383

Some CHI fans were proposing Terravainen (sp?), Pirri, and a 1st over on HF, and most seemed to think it was fair.

I think you're severely underrating the impact Kesler would have on a lineup, as well as the value of a 29-year-old top-6 centre.

This discussion is really going nowhere, so I'll head back to the Canucks board and allow you to insult other fans politely discussing trades.