Dead people.
- Elbows15

Well, played especially how Slovakia and Halek crapped the bed in the game this morning....

EXACTLY!

Have a rule that MAKES a Sham of the VERY PART of the wrinkle that decides a TEAM game...

I don't care IF YOU LIKE SHOOT-OUTS, this is NO WAY to decide an ouycome of a team game.

The NFL could have on player KICK to one return man to decide the game.

The NBA could make one play take a shot, othet team take a shot, and continue to drop back a foot with each round....

NO A FREAKING WAY to settle a T E A M game!

why not just let each team PICK a number from one to ten and the one the REF picked decides who one?

because to me the difference between a score and a miss on a shoot-out is just THAT random....
- wiz1901

Somebody likes the shootout?!

Good post Wiz. I was talking about this subject earlier with Brits who just tuned in for the first time. Said they figured a shootout was the same as penalties in football.

While a comparison could be made, it would be a lazy one. A 90 minute football match, plus stoppage time to decide a final scoreline, and if needed, an extra 30 minutes of play will occur before penalties are necessary.

5 minutes OT is not nearly enough for hockey, but I understand why the format is the way it is at present. But I'd hope change comes soon.

IMO reintroducing the draw/tie/whatever you want to call it at the end of an overtime period wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I don't think it would sour the ending of a great game the same way a shootout so often does.

Hell, whether you agree or not, a nil-nil draw in football can be a hell of a lot more exciting than the scoreline would suggest.

Somebody likes the shootout?!

Good post Wiz. I was talking about this subject earlier with Brits who just tuned in for the first time. Said they figured a shootout was the same as penalties in football.

While a comparison could be made, it would be a lazy one. A 90 minute football match, plus stoppage time to decide a final scoreline, and if needed, an extra 30 minutes of play will occur before penalties are necessary.

5 minutes OT is not nearly enough for hockey, but I understand why the format is the way it is at present. But I'd hope change comes soon.

IMO reintroducing the draw/tie/whatever you want to call it at the end of an overtime period wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I don't think it would sour the ending of a great game the same way a shootout so often does.

Hell, whether you agree or not, a nil-nil draw in football can be a hell of a lot more exciting than the scoreline would suggest.
- prd797

The shootout is the 2nd issue the first issue is the NHL point system which help create parity.

US defeats Russia 3-2 as TJ Oshie wins it in a shootout. Controversy, but int'l rules are different-My Fox Chicago:

Somebody likes the shootout?!

Good post Wiz. I was talking about this subject earlier with Brits who just tuned in for the first time. Said they figured a shootout was the same as penalties in football.

While a comparison could be made, it would be a lazy one. A 90 minute football match, plus stoppage time to decide a final scoreline, and if needed, an extra 30 minutes of play will occur before penalties are necessary.

5 minutes OT is not nearly enough for hockey, but I understand why the format is the way it is at present. But I'd hope change comes soon.

IMO reintroducing the draw/tie/whatever you want to call it at the end of an overtime period wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I don't think it would sour the ending of a great game the same way a shootout so often does.

Hell, whether you agree or not, a nil-nil draw in football can be a hell of a lot more exciting than the scoreline would suggest.
- prd797

With all due respect - in hockey, yes; in soccer, no.

I look at soccer the way most Europeans look at baseball: a lot of nothing, interrupted by brief periods of action.

Not enough goal play in soccer- not enough time when a goal COULD be scored.

With all due respect - in hockey, yes; in soccer, no.

I look at soccer the way most Europeans look at baseball: a lot of nothing, interrupted by brief periods of action.

Not enough goal play in soccer- not enough time when a goal COULD be scored.
- StLBravesFan

Agree to disagree on your opinion on football. Though I am a baseball fan, it has never ever captured my excitement the way football does. The 162 game regular season doesn't really do it for me either. Especially with the quality of play delivered by the two Chicago teams the past few years. Again, matter of preference I suppose.

And yeah, I was referring to a nil-nil draw in football. It would be perhaps less interesting in hockey, but similar things do happen in those 1-0 games decided (ruined) by a shootout.

Somebody likes the shootout?!

Good post Wiz. I was talking about this subject earlier with Brits who just tuned in for the first time. Said they figured a shootout was the same as penalties in football.

While a comparison could be made, it would be a lazy one. A 90 minute football match, plus stoppage time to decide a final scoreline, and if needed, an extra 30 minutes of play will occur before penalties are necessary.

5 minutes OT is not nearly enough for hockey, but I understand why the format is the way it is at present. But I'd hope change comes soon.

IMO reintroducing the draw/tie/whatever you want to call it at the end of an overtime period wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I don't think it would sour the ending of a great game the same way a shootout so often does.

Hell, whether you agree or not, a nil-nil draw in football can be a hell of a lot more exciting than the scoreline would suggest.
- prd797

Yes it would. I hate ties so very much. What's the point in playing if you're not going to decide a winner? Ties are never coming back

Agree to disagree on your opinion on football. Though I am a baseball fan, it has never ever captured my excitement the way football does. The 162 game regular season doesn't really do it for me either. Especially with the quality of play delivered by the two Chicago teams the past few years. Again, matter of preference I suppose.

And yeah, I was referring to a nil-nil draw in football. It would be perhaps less interesting in hockey, but similar things do happen in those 1-0 games decided (ruined) by a shootout.
- prd797

This may be inconsistent, but one of the draws of baseball IS the 162 game season (forget the local teams' futility) - the mundanity (mundaneness?) of it - don't worry, there's another game tomorrow

If I had a time machine - besides going to see Billy Holiday at Cafe Society - I would go to a baseball game in the twenties or thirties - not a a World Series game, but a Wdnesday afternoon at Sox Park against the Senators, or a Thursday afternoon at Cubs Park against the Phillies - a mundane game in the middle of the week - that's baseball.

Yes it would. I hate ties so very much. What's the point in playing if you're not going to decide a winner? Ties are never coming back
- rollpards19

Again, fair enough. To each their own. I think a draw reflects how even the teams are in various aspects, it gives credit to defensive effort as well as highlighting potential offensive ineptitude. I think a hollow win in a skills competition doesn't reflect how the game actually played out. The European football fan in me has grown to appreciate a draw, even if I'd certainly prefer a definitive result in some scenarios.

The NHL has many different avenues that it could take to address this. Figured throwing out a different perspective wouldn't do any harm.

Price was Canada's tender
- philco28

Damn that's good. It is always fun to go back and see all the great players who went on to big things. I can't remember who was in goal for USA? Funny to see the Jones guy from LA in goal a few years ago when Carlson beat him in OT for USA gold

Damn that's good. It is always fun to go back and see all the great players who went on to big things. I can't remember who was in goal for USA? Funny to see the Jones guy from LA in goal a few years ago when Carlson beat him in OT for USA gold
- tomcat24

Jeff Frazee was in goal...he ended up being a bust. Gave up sitting in New Jersey's system and came over here to play in I think Italy.

Yes it would. I hate ties so very much. What's the point in playing if you're not going to decide a winner? Ties are never coming back
- rollpards19

I agree that ties are never coming back.Growing up I never had an issue with games that ended in a tie.If my team gave up a lead and it ended in a tie it felt like a loss, a win if it was a comeback tie.This is Bettman ignoring the older fan in an effort to maximize revenue plain and simple.I would rather see a tie then a shootout joke.Maybe it is time to start to train and carry 3 shootout specialists and everyone play the trap while they wait for their moment to shine.

Hey guys,
just wondering if anyone has a link to the CBC documentary on Toews this afternoon?

@goicehogs: GOAL!! Bouchard nets his seventh of the season and first in an IceHogs sweater to put the Hogs on the board first, 1-0!

@goicehogs: GOAL!! Bouchard nets his seventh of the season and first in an IceHogs sweater to put the Hogs on the board first, 1-0!
- DarthKane

He is Stan's showcase trade deadline acquisition.

@goicehogs: GOAL!! Bouchard nets his seventh of the season and first in an IceHogs sweater to put the Hogs on the board first, 1-0!
- DarthKane

Elbows will be thrilled

Jeff Frazee was in goal...he ended up being a bust. Gave up sitting in New Jersey's system and came over here to play in I think Italy.
- prd797

Oh yeah that's right. Yeah he never made it. Guess giving up all those goals to Toews killed him. And even thogh it is more recent, that Canada-Usa gold medal game of a few years ago had all 4 goalies play with Jones letting in the OT winner

Yes it would. I hate ties so very much. What's the point in playing if you're not going to decide a winner? Ties are never coming back
- rollpards19

The issue shouldn't be disguised with avoiding ties. Ties were problematic before but now teams hang on to capture 1 point at the end of regulation.

Things would be better all the way around without a shootout imo.... But what needs to happen is a regulation win either has to be worth more than a shootout win or not give 1 point for a regulation tie.

The last part of the season teams still play for a tie albeit at the end of regulation.

Instead of changing the point system the NHL will placate owners by making a longer OT period or other modifications....For me 3 on 3 hockey is hokey as well.

Because the illusion of parity the current point system enhances makes the weak sisters look stronger than they are. That's tough for the league to move away from.

US defeats Russia 3-2 as TJ Oshie wins it in a shootout. Controversy, but int'l rules are different-My Fox Chicago:
http://bit.ly/1bU6Hrg

The issue shouldn't be disguised with avoiding ties. Ties were problematic before but now teams hang on to capture 1 point at the end of regulation.Things would be better all the way around without a shootout imo.... But what needs to happen is a regulation win either has to be worth more than a shootout win or not give 1 point for a regulation tie.

The last part of the season teams still play for a tie albeit at the end of regulation.

Instead of changing the point system the NHL will placate owners by making a longer OT period or other modifications....For me 3 on 3 hockey is hokey as well.

Because the illusion of parity the current point system enhances makes the weak sisters look stronger than they are. That's tough for the league to move away from.

US defeats Russia 3-2 as TJ Oshie wins it in a shootout. Controversy, but int'l rules are different-My Fox Chicago:
http://bit.ly/1bU6Hrg
- Al

The League's counter argument to teams satisfied to get a point out of regulation time is that over the course of an 82 game season that doesn't work because a low ROW total will ensure they lose any tie breakers for a playoff spot.

As you say, trolling for single points makes the playoff races look closer and that keeps Bettman happy because he wants fans to believe their teams are in the hunt to the very end.

Not a big fan of 3 on 3 either but could accept 5 minutes of 4 on 4 play and 5 minutes of 3 on 3. No winner after that, both teams get a point. But how much time would it take to complete the OT? TV networks would have a say in that.

Yes it would. I hate ties so very much. What's the point in playing if you're not going to decide a winner? Ties are never coming back
- rollpards19

What's the point of playing Hockey if you're determining the winner by not playing hockey?

The League's counter argument to teams satisfied to get a point out of regulation time is that over the course of an 82 game season that doesn't work because a low ROW total will ensure they lose any tie breakers for a playoff spot.

As you say, trolling for single points makes the playoff races look closer and that keeps Bettman happy because he wants fans to believe their teams are in the hunt to the very end.

Not a big fan of 3 on 3 either but could accept 5 minutes of 4 on 4 play and 5 minutes of 3 on 3. No winner after that, both teams get a point. But how much time would it take to complete the OT? TV networks would have a say in that.
- RickJ

low ROW total will ensure they lose any tie breakers for a playoff spot.

I hear you but that's a contradiction in itself...2 points should be worth 2 points. If the shootout is legitimate...Should a team winning that way be discounted??

As usual, one mistake leads to another...

US defeats Russia 3-2 as TJ Oshie wins it in a shootout. Controversy, but int'l rules are different-My Fox Chicago:
http://bit.ly/1bU6Hrg

low ROW total will ensure they lose any tie breakers for a playoff spot.

I hear you but that's a contradiction in itself...2 points should be worth 2 points. If the shootout is legitimate...Should a team winning that way be discounted??

As usual, one mistake leads to another...

US defeats Russia 3-2 as TJ Oshie wins it in a shootout. Controversy, but int'l rules are different-My Fox Chicago:
http://bit.ly/1bU6Hrg
- Al

Two mistakes:

The SO itself, although I think it's here to stay - they need a way to avoid endless overtimes - and ties - for the networks.

Saying the while an OT/SO loss is worth more / better than a regulation loss, but an OT/SO win is the same as a regulation win.

If you give a point for an OT/SO loss, need to have a three-point system.

Elbows will be thrilled
- prd797

Two mistakes:

The SO itself, although I think it's here to stay - they need a way to avoid endless overtimes - and ties - for the networks.

Saying the while an OT/SO loss is worth more / better than a regulation loss, but an OT/SO win is the same as a regulation win.

If you give a point for an OT/SO loss, need to have a three-point system.
- StLBravesFan

That makes the most sense to me....except it favours the dominant teams in the weakest divisions, in theory. I mean, the tighter the competition the tighter the games, right?

Two mistakes:

The SO itself, although I think it's here to stay - they need a way to avoid endless overtimes - and ties - for the networks.

Saying the while an OT/SO loss is worth more / better than a regulation loss, but an OT/SO win is the same as a regulation win.

If you give a point for an OT/SO loss, need to have a three-point system.
- StLBravesFan

Can they just stop messing with the game? How about that? Unless it involves player safety leave the freaking game alone for a bit.

FYI. The shootout in the Olympics is exactly why its in the NHL.

Elbows will be thrilled
- prd797

Given his history PRD, he will be concussed shortly.