Teams like FLA/NJ as well if I'm not mistaken. I'd rather have a team that can wins games by scoring actual goals. The Flyers suck in shootouts, LA is probably the exception to the rule of a good team that needed the SO wins to get in.
- Nucker101

We need to accept the fact it is part of the game now. It could make the difference of making or not making the PO

And your point is ? How does a player like Kesler help a team get over the hump at draft day as opposed to TDL when they are fighting for a PO spot?
- VANTEL

Aren't there always multiple teams that disappoint in the playoffs that have their fans bigging of change during the summer? There's 1 winner and 15 losers in the playoffs. Kesler will always be in very high demand, 5 million for him is a great deal in a 70+ million cap. He'll be like 7% of the cap..for a damn good player.


There would be a bidding war at the TDL or draft. Gillis will obviously make a deal whenever he gets offered the right package(in his mind), assuming he even wants to deal him.

We need to accept the fact it is part of the game now. It could make the difference of making or not making the PO
- VANTEL

Only teams that are fighting just to make the playoffs need a specialist, true contenders shouldn't even need to bother worrying about it since they'll get the wins either way. You're not gonna convince me otherwise.

We need to accept the fact it is part of the game now. It could make the difference of making or not making the PO
- VANTEL

Well, we could have shootout specialist and top 6 winger Jussi Jokinen in our lineup but....

Well, we could have shootout specialist and top 6 winger Jussi Jokinen in our lineup but....
- AlexF

I think we need to move on from that, a lot of teams passed up on Jussi. I doubt his production would have been as good here. In hindsight, he was a great pickup on re-entry waivers but I doubt it would have made a big enough difference.

Aren't there always multiple teams that disappoint in the playoffs that have their fans bigging of change during the summer? There's 1 winner and 15 losers in the playoffs. Kesler will always be in very high demand, 5 million for him is a great deal in a 70+ million cap. He'll be like 7% of the cap..for a damn good player.


There would be a bidding war at the TDL or draft. Gillis will obviously make a deal whenever he gets offered the right package(in his mind), assuming he even wants to deal him.
- Nucker101

I question what that might look like in actuality. For the Minny deal I posted earlier, he's capable of rejecting it if MIN don't include a 2nd. He strikes me as that pedantic.

Minny's depth is gonna be weak if they have Koivu/Parise/Suter/Vanek/Kesler all on the books. I highly doubt Kesler is traded within the West. Philly made sure that Richards/Carter would stay in the West, I'd expect Gillis to do the same. Remember the Schneider deal...
- Nucker101

Gillis would certainly trade Kesler to the West, but he'd need much more in return than from a team in the East. Same way he would have traded Schneider to the Oilers, but they would have had to give up more than Jersey did.

Well, we could have shootout specialist and top 6 winger Jussi Jokinen in our lineup but....
- AlexF

I know we called it

I think we need to move on from that, a lot of teams passed up on Jussi. I doubt his production would have been as good here. In hindsight, he was a great pickup on re-entry waivers but I doubt it would have made a big enough difference.
- Nucker101

We also don't know if the same offer was on the table to eat salary for the Canucks like the Penguins got. They have a good trading history with the Canes.

That contract looked pretty awful at the time, so picking him up on waivers was less attractive.

Or was there something about the original team keeping salary with re-entry waivers? I can't remember...

Only teams that are fighting just to make the playoffs need a specialist, true contenders shouldn't even need to bother worrying about it since they'll get the wins either way. You're not gonna convince me otherwise.
- Nucker101

How many pts did we leave behind in the SO this year and I am sure if we miss the PO it will be within 5 pts

I think we need to move on from that, a lot of teams passed up on Jussi. I doubt his production would have been as good here. In hindsight, he was a great pickup on re-entry waivers but I doubt it would have made a big enough difference.
- Nucker101

I agree we need to move on but just thought I'd reiterate in this SO conversation the fact that we've sucked at SOs for longer than I can remember and had a chance to rectify that to a degree with a decent all-around player on offer for a solid chunk of his salary having been paid for. If SOs are a fundamental part of the modern point system I don't think Gillis has ever given it much thought.

We also don't know if the same offer was on the table to eat salary for the Canucks like the Penguins got. They have a good trading history with the Canes.

That contract looked pretty awful at the time, so picking him up on waivers was less attractive.

Or was there something about the original team keeping salary with re-entry waivers? I can't remember...
- Fosco

I honestly can't remember the full details myself, all I know for sure is that he was shopped around at full salary and had no value and cleared regular waivers?

We also don't know if the same offer was on the table to eat salary for the Canucks like the Penguins got. They have a good trading history with the Canes.

That contract looked pretty awful at the time, so picking him up on waivers was less attractive.

Or was there something about the original team keeping salary with re-entry waivers? I can't remember...
- Fosco

it was a waiver deal at 3 mil I think . I am not sure if he was picked up going down or coming up at half price

That's bull. Stop using the injury reason. Canucks have been on a decline for the third year in a row. I blame age and toughness more than injuries. Yes we won two president trophies while we were in the AHL division . Whoopee
- VANTEL

Never said they weren't on the decline. Just said they were nowhere near being the Flames 2.0. That's an absolutely ridiculous comparison. It would take the Canucks another 2 - 3 years of trading prospects and picks and holding onto their aging vets to even get close to approaching the Flames level of mismanagement.

it was a waiver deal at 3 mil I think . I am not sure if he was picked up going down or coming up at half price
- VANTEL

Coming up, if memory serves me.

How many pts did we leave behind in the SO this year and I am sure if we miss the PO it will be within 5 pts
- VANTEL

Again, outside of LA(an extremely rare case) most of the teams that need SO points to even get into the playoffs usually aren't gonna do much damage or scare anyone. If anything having a great SO record would give the fans and management false hope/optimism about their team.

Any news on the trade front concerning Alex " for spare parts" Edler?

Or even perhaps David "can't touch this" Booth?
- Whiskey-Tango

Gillis should be working the phones and mailing out the game tape after every game Booth plays well.

"Mr. Snow, there's a Michael D Gillis on line 3..."

it was a waiver deal at 3 mil I think . I am not sure if he was picked up going down or coming up at half price
- VANTEL

It was a deal, Carolina retained salary.

I never said draft picks did I. Prospects baby
- VANTEL

When did I say draft picks???

it was a waiver deal at 3 mil I think . I am not sure if he was picked up going down or coming up at half price
- VANTEL

It was a trade with Pitts, where Carolina retained salary.

He passed through waivers.

My question was whether Carolina would have had to retain salary if the Canucks had picked him up on waivers.

But I don't think so, because weren't re-entry waivers gone last season, with players only having to pass as they went down?

If so, the Canucks would have had to take him at full salary, which wasn't an enviable situation at the time because of his contract and performance.

Again, outside of LA(an extremely rare case) most of the teams that need SO points to even get into the playoffs usually aren't gonna do much damage or scare anyone. If anything having a great SO record would give the fans and management false hope/optimism about their team.
- Nucker101

Agreed, but it might just get a bubble into the playoffs which translates to beaucoup $$$.

I might be wrong on this but didn't PHI win a SO on the final game of the season against NYR then make a run to the SCF as the 8th seed?

Agreed, but it might just get a bubble into the playoffs which translates to beaucoup $$$.

I might be wrong on this but didn't PHI win a SO on the final game of the season against NYR then make a run to the SCF as the 8th seed?
- AlexF

Yeah they did I think, but Philly's overall SO record has been weak since the first lockout so in reality, lack of SO points is probably what had them in that position in the first place.

Again, outside of LA(an extremely rare case) most of the teams that need SO points to even get into the playoffs usually aren't gonna do much damage or scare anyone. If anything having a great SO record would give the fans and management false hope/optimism about their team.
- Nucker101

I know this doesn't apply to Canucks ,but regular season and the playoffs are two different solar systems apart. Canucks are a very good regular season team but were not built to take the grind of brutal clutching ,holding and physical force of the playoff games every other night.

Hockey is the only sport that I can think of other than America Ninja competition that the two seasons are totally different. Every stage is a different game . That is why LA have a bad regular season and a good playoff team. Canucks are the opposite.

Yeah they did I think, but Philly's overall SO record has been weak since the first lockout so in reality, lack of SO points is probably what had them in that position in the first place.
- Nucker101

True.