Does redundant mean the same in Quebec as it does in the rest of Canada) Edler would be your 2nd best d man, so apparently it doesnt
- Bieksa#3

Not even close. If we're talking offensive defensemen Markov and Subban are both much better than Edler. Defensively Gorges and Emelin are both better than Edler. SO what does he bring to the table that Montreal needs more than a guy who's put up 23 goals so far this season?

Not even close. If we're talking offensive defensemen Markov and Subban are both much better than Edler. Defensively Gorges and Emelin are both better than Edler. SO what does he bring to the table that Montreal needs more than a guy who's put up 23 goals so far this season?
- qwijibo

you french men are so funny in English.

Hah, they wish they were as bad as those mother (frank)ers...or even Raphael Diaz, for that matter...
- Fosco

You get my PM?

you french men are so funny in English.
- Bieksa#3

I'm from BC jackass

I'm from BC jackass
- qwijibo

So drugs?

Not even close. If we're talking offensive defensemen Markov and Subban are both much better than Edler. Defensively Gorges and Emelin are both better than Edler. SO what does he bring to the table that Montreal needs more than a guy who's put up 23 goals so far this season?
- qwijibo

Maybe if you're only factoring in this season to date.

Edler's struggling with a new coach/system and a revolving cast of partners.

He's proven what he brings to a team when he's not being jerked around.

Not sure why the coaches can't see that Tanev and Edler have always played well together, instead of trying to move Garrison to his off side, or pairing Edler with Bieksa, where the two hilight each other's weaknesses.

You get my PM?
- Bieksa#3

I did.

I'll field offers, but I really just wanted to see if Nucker was still alive.

Created a real fire-storm of offers/PMs...

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- LeftCoaster

WTF, who are going to get for Edler now...............

So drugs?
- Bieksa#3

So I'm on drugs becasue I believe a top line winger who has put up 23 goals is more important to a team with a struggling offence than a defenceman who has 4 goals (13 points) and -19 in 39 games?

Maybe if you're only factoring in this season to date.

Edler's struggling with a new coach/system and a revolving cast of partners.

He's proven what he brings to a team when he's not being jerked around.

Not sure why the coaches can't see that Tanev and Edler have always played well together, instead of trying to move Garrison to his off side, or pairing Edler with Bieksa, where the two hilight each other's weaknesses.
- Fosco

My point is Montreal needs Pacioretty far more than they would need Edler. Even if Edler wasn't struggling so badly it still wouldn't make sense from Montreal's end

My point is Montreal needs Pacioretty far more than they would need Edler. Even if Edler wasn't struggling so badly it still wouldn't make sense from Montreal's end
- qwijibo

Please define redundant?

WTF, who are going to get for Edler now...............
- Whiskey-Tango

The Clifford Big Red Dog show is about to be put on ice permanently.

The Clifford Big Red Dog show is about to be put on ice permanently.
- AlexF

Please define redundant?
- Bieksa#3

Redundant, as in Edler's role is already filled with superior players in Montreal. He wouldn't be a top pairing guy, he wouldn't be on the first powerplay unit. Now how about you answer my question. What would Edler bring to Montreal that is more important to a team with a struggling offence than a top line winger with 23 goals?

So I'm on drugs becasue I believe a top line winger who has put up 23 goals is more important to a team with a struggling offence than a defenceman who has 4 goals (13 points) and -19 in 39 games?
- qwijibo

I'd have to agree. Edler for Pacioretty might have been fair value 2 years ago but that ship has sailed.

Redundant, as in Edler's role is already filled with superior players in Montreal. He wouldn't be a top pairing guy, he wouldn't be on the first powerplay unit. Now how about you answer my question. How would Edler bring to Montreal that ios more important to a team with a struggling offence than a top line winger with 23 goals?
- qwijibo

Edler would definitely bump one of the guys you mentioned out of the top-4/PP, even if he's struggled this season.

To suggest he wouldn't is ridiculous.

Not arguing about MTL's greater need for a top6 W, though.

Redundant, as in Edler's role is already filled with superior players in Montreal. He wouldn't be a top pairing guy, he wouldn't be on the first powerplay unit. Now how about you answer my question. How would Edler bring to Montreal that ios more important to a team with a struggling offence than a top line winger with 23 goals?
- qwijibo

So it is drugs. Edler is/easily the 2nd best d man Montreal would have. No defense man is "superior" to edler other then pk. Your starting to sound like a leaf fan frenchyi

So it is drugs. Edler is/easily the 2nd best d man Montreal would have. No defense man is "superior" to edler other then pk. Your starting to sound like a leaf fan frenchyi
- Bieksa#3

Markov - 5g 24a 29P +4 - One of the top powerplay quarterbacks in the league
Subban - 8g 30a 38p +4 24 year old Norris winner

Edler 4g 9a 13p -19

And still you sidestep my question on how Edler would be more important to Montreal than Pacioretty.

Either you're an idiot or youre trolling me, either way I'm done with you

Edler would definitely bump one of the guys you mentioned out of the top-4/PP, even if he's struggled this season.

To suggest he wouldn't is ridiculous.

Not arguing about MTL's greater need for a top6 W, though.
- Fosco

Edler would likely bump Emelin out of the top 4, but he certainly wouldn't bump Subban or Markov off the first powerplay unit. Also, Emelin and Edler fill two different roles, so again, he's redundant (compared to Markov and Subban)

Edler would likely bump Emelin out of the top 4, but he certainly wouldn't bump Subban or Markov of the first powerplay unit. Also, Emeilin and Edler fill two different roles, so again, he's redundant
- qwijibo

He's not redundant.

But I understand that a scoring winger is more important from MTL's point of view.

It's also pretty ridiculous that you're basing your argument against Edler on such a small sample size.

He's not redundant.

But I understand that a scoring winger is more important from MTL's point of view.

It's also pretty ridiculous that you're basing your argument against Edler on such a small sample size.
- Fosco

Edler wasn't very good last season either (although he was better than he's been this season). He's a shell of his pre-injury self and even he has admited he doesn't think his back will ever be 100%.

They have a couple.

But what's the point bringing them up to a struggling team when Torts isn't going to play them for more than 5 minutes a game?

The reason they don't have a lot is because of the 2010 draft in which they didn't have a pick until the 4th round.

Those players would be in their pro+2 seasons, or 21-22 years old.

The rest are either too young or need more seasoning.

It's a product of trying to "win now" for so many years.

Let's not go through this song and dance again...

There's a detailed discussion on the Canucks draft success over the last 10-15 years over on the HF prospect board comparing them to other teams in the league, if you want to read it.

Spoiler alert: They're about middle of the pack--not the best, but not the worst.
- Fosco

I was kind of saying that in jest, but I've looked at our current center depth in the minors - wow, it's almost non existent!!

Markov - 5g 24a 29P +4 - One of the top powerplay quarterbacks in the league
Subban - 8g 30a 38p +4 24 year old Norris winner

Edler 4g 9a 13p -19

And still you sidestep my question on how Edler would be more important to Montreal than Pacioretty.

Either you're an idiot or youre trolling me, either way I'm done with you
- qwijibo

Alright, so Santorelli has better numbers then Callahan this season. Lets trade him for more then what Callahan brings(if healthy)

Do you realize how stupid you sound now

I was kind of saying that in jest, but I've looked at our current center depth in the minors - wow, it's almost non existent!!
- LeftCoaster

Jensen scored again last night

Jensen scored again last night
- Bieksa#3

Too bad he's not a center, we've got Kesler and Schroeder (if Richardson is out) that have played more than 10 NHL games that is.