Let me guess, Scooby is your Jacobs.
- A_SteamingLombardi

that's a strikingly appropriate comparison.

P.S. Tavares is available.
- Fosco

"You serious Clark?"

"You serious Clark?"
- Chest Rockwell

I'm fielding offers

The drafting since the scouting overhaul has been much better overall (last 2 drafts).

But yeah, TB has been exceptional for a while, especially with their later picks.

You expect to be getting sure-fire NHLers with most of the spots they've picked at in the 1st round the last 5 years or so.
- Fosco

Don't know if there's anything special about last year's draft (2012) and 2013 was a stacked draft where we had 2 1st rounders. Still, as with all drafts, we'll unfortunately have to wait a number of years before making a verdict.

Drafting aside, the fact that TB could bring in an undrafted guy in Tyler Johnson that's a strong candidate for rookie of the year is enviable.

"You serious Clark?"
- Chest Rockwell

- AlexF

- A_SteamingLombardi

Didn't Randy Quaid defect to Canada a few years back?

Didn't Randy Quaid defect to Canada a few years back?
- AlexF

I think we deported him, living in your car is harder in Canada.

Don't know if there's anything special about last year's draft (2012) and 2013 was a stacked draft where we had 2 1st rounders. Still, as with all drafts, we'll unfortunately have to wait a number of years before making a verdict.

Drafting aside, the fact that TB could bring in an undrafted guy in Tyler Johnson that's a strong candidate for rookie of the year is enviable.
- AlexF

The overhaul started pre-2012 draft, but some of the major moves (like hiring Eric Crawford as new head of scouting) happened later.

2012 wasn't a strong draft, and they were missing two picks, so it's a bit harder to grade that year.

Still, if Gaunce and Hutton end up being regular NHLers in some capacity, which I think they will, it'll be a good result out of 5 picks.

The main scouting moves they'd made at that point (besides demoting Delorme) were to relocate some of the scouts and focus less on the QMJHL, which was a very good first step. They still picked Mallet, but at that point they'd started moving manpower to other leagues.

The trend has resulted in more focus on the OHL, as we saw in 2013.

There's a pretty detailed thread with scout bios in the archives at HF that highlights all of the moves.

Like everything else, it's been a "process" over the last two or three years. But it's moving in the right direction.

I'd say Gillis's young FA signings in Lack, Tanev, and to a lesser degree guys like Archibald and Ericsson have been pretty damn good. Not to mention Stanton off waivers.

The overhaul started pre-2012 draft, but some of the major moves (like hiring Eric Crawford as new head of scouting) happened later.

2012 wasn't a strong draft, and they were missing two picks, so it's a bit harder to grade that year.

Still, if Gaunce and Hutton end up being regular NHLers in some capacity, which I think they will, it'll be a good result out of 5 picks.

The main scouting moves they'd made at that point (besides demoting Delorme) were to relocate some of the scouts and focus less on the QMJHL, which was a very good first step. They still picked Mallet, but at that point they'd started moving manpower to other leagues.

The trend has resulted in more focus on the OHL, as we saw in 2013.

There's a pretty detailed thread with scout bios in the archives at HF that highlights all of the moves.

Like everything else, it's been a "process" over the last two or three years. But it's moving in the right direction.

I'd say Gillis's young FA signings in Lack, Tanev, and to a lesser degree guys like Archibald and Ericsson have been pretty damn good. Not to mention Stanton off waivers.
- Fosco

Do you know if the scouting staff now have quality presence in the WHL? Seemed to be a blind spot of ours for a long while.

Do you know if the scouting staff now have quality presence in WHL? Seemed to be a blind spot of ours for a long while.
- AlexF

I can't remember.

I know they made some changes to WHL scouting, because I'm pretty sure that was Delorme's stomping grounds.

They already had quite the presence there from what I remember—they just missed out on some gems that others got lucky on.

The part that stuck for me was just that the OHL was getting more focus.

- AlexF

Sh!tter was full!

I can't remember.

I know they made some changes to WHL scouting, because I'm pretty sure that was Delorme's stomping grounds.

They already had quite the presence there from what I remember—they just missed out on some gems that others got lucky on.

The part that stuck for me was just that the OHL was getting more focus.
- Fosco

I don't trust Gillis to make a good trade with a key player. He makes me very nervous. Rangers have cap space to add a guy like Hansen. If Gillis can turn Hansen into a pick that gets a 3rd line center from another team this year, I'm good with that deal. AV loved Hansen so there's a fit there.

I think there's some good talent in the pipeline but our problem has been that we haven't had that mid to late round pick end up being a star. that talent is also 3-5 years away from having an impact. The cupboards are very bare with guys who can play right now. We've also overlooked way too many WHL players especially from the Giants. It's unreal that guys like Lucic, Franson, Blum, etc., who can all play in the league were ignored.

Booth can't and wont hit the net with his "shot".

Burrows cannot stay on his skates.

Daniel has lost his hands.

Henrik is injured.

Kesler is one manning it, to no result.

Edler is a shell of his former self.

Opposition teams are refusing Garrison from shooting.

Kassian creates offensive opportunities, for both sides.

My only hope is that the powerplay drop pass is traded along with Edler.

Go Canucks Go.
- Whiskey-Tango

Thnks. You coved all of it. No need to read rest of thread.... spoiler.

Nope.

In much better shape than they were at the time of their decline.

Both the NHL roster and the prospect pool.

The Flames are a worst case scenario.
- Fosco

Agreed. I dont think FA will let the team over ripen like the Falmes ownership and management did.

Last year, for whatever reason, they seemed to approach the draft with a bit of a different perspective. I think they hired a new guy out of Detroit's system?
- LeftCoaster

They changed the scouts are Delhomme(sp) is no longer chief scout. Eric Crawford(brother of Marc) s now chief.
There was also clearly a focus on OHL players. That being said there is little doubt that the canucks have changed philosophy since the finals loss. Drafting all character/grit guys and even the Kassian trade

Considering how good the Canucks have been since Gillis got here I'm still constantly amazed by how badly the fans slam him. They act like it's so easy to make trades, that injuries shouldn't matter, and that without the benefit of 3 years hindsight he still should have known what nobody else knew about prospects and potential draft picks.

The Canucks lack depth this season after the cap went down. You know who else lacks depth this season? Everyone!

The Blackhawks have a huge hole at 2C. The Blues are relying on Canucks castoff Derek Roy (their goaltending hasn't really instilled much confidence either). The mighty Kings have bigger scoring problems than the Canucks. The Sharks have remained consistently inconsistent. Does anyone really trust Hiller? The Coyotes can't keep the puck out of their own net. The Wild are a mess. The Avs are playing well, but they were last place last year! And Edmonton and Calgary are just so bad they make me want to puke.

It isn't all roses in Canucksland, but it isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. 29 teams won't win the Stanley Cup this year. Gillis made some solid moves this past year. Let's see what he does before the trade deadline and then again at the draft.
- KB3Point0

I think some posters on here think that anyone not waiving a Canuck banner on this years team is a winner , a female dog or a bi polar (Chompsey term).

Canucks have been entertaining in the past years no doubt. They have exceeded expectations a few years back.

They have some very nice prospects and I give Gillis credit for stocking the cupboards somewhat.

My point is I think the Sedin Kesler Burrows Luongo Edler Bieksa ship has sailed. That group has zero chance of winning a cup. They had their chance. I thank them for their services.

The new group of Kassian Horvat Shink Tanev COrrado Lack look very exciting.

Gillis has also built some good third and fourth liners. Gaunce Sestito Lain and Maybe Archie.

The unknowns are Grenier Jensen Schroeder Cassels Fox Mallet and some Dmen . I am sure there are more .

I will speak for myself only here. The reason I want to see some / most of these vets moved is to speed up the process. As I said I don't see this existing core even close anymore. Move them while they have value and pick up guys like ROR or Kane and impact young players so that in five years we can take another run at the cup.

I think hanging on too long just takes the process longer. Canucks at this stage should be making at least two major impact moves every year . Rolling stones gather no anchors.

Everyone can see the decline in these players and Gillis 'biggest problem is his loyalty.

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Can you do the next two weeks for me? I'll be in Ontario visiting the inlaws.....lord help me.....
- chompsey

I will be in MTL next week also so if I miss sorry.

They changed the scouts are Delhomme(sp) is no longer chief scout. Eric Crawford(brother of Marc) s now chief.
There was also clearly a focus on OHL players. That being said there is little doubt that the canucks have changed philosophy since the finals loss. Drafting all character/grit guys and even the Kassian trade
- Bieksa#3

I posted this on page 10, but here's a link to what the current state of affairs is with our scouting staff.

http://www.vancouversun.c...talent/8595402/story.html

Highlights being:

“We did a pretty comprehensive scouting overview last summer. We did a couple of studies on where those guys in the last five drafts came from and how it translated into (making the NHL). We did some analytics on where they came from and where it was best to get players. There were some pretty noticeable trends that we’ve taken strong command of.”

The trends were so compelling the Canucks quietly reorganized their amateur scouting division and changed methodology. They built a new chain of command based on regions, established clearer priorities and focused resources on three key areas: Western Canada, Ontario and the United States.

Crawford, who had overseen the Canucks’ pro scouting department, was put in charge of amateur scouting. Chief scout Ron Delorme retained his title but was returned to the WHL because, as assistant general manager Laurence Gilman explained, the team needed its best scout back in the West. WHL scout Harold Snepsts was redeployed to help senior adviser Stan Smyl assess undrafted college and junior players, and the Canucks bulked up their scouting staff in Ontario.

“Even with the greater influence we’ve placed on Ontario, the United States and Western Canada, it doesn’t mean we won’t still pick players from Quebec and Europe,” Gilman said. “But we’re placing greater emphasis on the other three regions.”

I think some posters on here think that anyone not waiving a Canuck banner on this years team is a winner , a female dog or a bi polar (Chompsey term).

Canucks have been entertaining in the past years no doubt. They have exceeded expectations a few years back.

They have some very nice prospects and I give Gillis credit for stocking the cupboards somewhat.

My point is I think the Sedin Kesler Burrows Luongo Edler Bieksa ship has sailed. That group has zero chance of winning a cup. They had their chance. I thank them for their services.

The new group of Kassian Horvat Shink Tanev COrrado Lack look very exciting.

Gillis has also built some good third and fourth liners. Gaunce Sestito Lain and Maybe Archie.

The unknowns are Grenier Jensen Schroeder Cassels Fox Mallet and some Dmen . I am sure there are more .

I will speak for myself only here. The reason I want to see some / most of these vets moved is to speed up the process. As I said I don't see this existing core even close anymore. Move them while they have value and pick up guys like ROR or Kane and impact young players so that in five years we can take another run at the cup.

I think hanging on too long just takes the process longer. Canucks at this stage should be making at least two major impact moves every year . Rolling stones gather no anchors.

Everyone can see the decline in these players and Gillis 'biggest problem is his loyalty.
- VANTEL

Sedins, Kesler, Edler, and Luongo with the right supporting cast are still good enough. Gillis needs to get some top 6 talent and he also needs to get some right handed shots.

The powerplay is missing a right handed quarterback. If we get someone that fits the bill, this team automatically can jump into the top 20 PP's in the league. Also, a new PP coach wouldnt be so bad either.

I think going forward you'll see this team turnaround really quick, but its up to the Sedins, Kes, Edler, and Luongo to really dig deep and carry this team out of its slump.

This team isn't as poopty as some people are making it out to be, they've lost a lot of talent to the cap world. Even if we had kept Hodgson, there is no way we would've fit his new contract into this structure.

Gillis is on the right track signing all these rookie FA's, and investing more time and money into development. We will start seeing the fruits of his labor as soon as next season.

Horvat, Jensen, Fox, Shinkaruk, Corrado, Gaunce, and others will have legitimate shots at making the club next year. If they don't, they're gonna be in Utica.

Im excited to see how this turns out TBH.

Sedins, Kesler, Edler, and Luongo with the right supporting cast are still good enough. Gillis needs to get some top 6 talent and he also needs to get some right handed shots.

The powerplay is missing a right handed quarterback. If we get someone that fits the bill, this team automatically can jump into the top 20 PP's in the league. Also, a new PP coach wouldnt be so bad either.

I think going forward you'll see this team turnaround really quick, but its up to the Sedins, Kes, Edler, and Luongo to really dig deep and carry this team out of its slump.

This team isn't as poopty as some people are making it out to be, they've lost a lot of talent to the cap world. Even if we had kept Hodgson, there is no way we would've fit his new contract into this structure.

Gillis is on the right track signing all these rookie FA's, and investing more time and money into development. We will start seeing the fruits of his labor as soon as next season.

Horvat, Jensen, Fox, Shinkaruk, Corrado, Gaunce, and others will have legitimate shots at making the club next year. If they don't, they're gonna be in Utica.

Im excited to see how this turns out TBH.
- Gullzy

If the Canucks don't improve in the top six, meaning get some actual top six players not rely on tweeners, we're not going to compete. Giving up any youth he's acquired for a fix on the second line is risky! But, if the right young player became available it might be worth it?

I'd have some serious reservations about that (giving up youth) I'd rather trade some defensive depth

If the Canucks don't improve in the top six, meaning get some actual top six players not rely on tweeners, we're not going to compete. Giving up any youth he's acquired for a fix on the second line is risky! But, if the right young player became available it might be worth it?

I'd have some serious reservations about that
- LeftCoaster

Its pretty interesting that Bergevin and Gillis have linked up for two trades over the last year. Maybe they've discussed a top 4 Dman for Pacioretty deal?

If Edler was playing in the east with PK Subban, he'd win a Norris or two.

Its pretty interesting that Bergevin and Gillis have linked up for two trades over the last year. Maybe they've discussed a top 4 Dman for Pacioretty deal?

If Edler was playing in the east with PK Subban, he'd win a Norris or two.
- Gullzy

I'd much sooner the canucks target Galchynck

St Louis named stamkos replacement!

St Louis named stamkos replacement!
- pandabk

Good pick.

When are they naming Kunitz replacement?