I agree, Girardi is probably not going to make it to Free Agency. But if he does, I want the Flyers to target him.
- MJL

totally agree, but he doesn't make it, (I don't think either)
Sather will sign him after he's done using the press to get he & Callahan to take less $$$ then what he wants to pay them

I wouldn't mind Boyle for 2 years, but you know some GM, hopefully not ours!, will give him 4 years and 25 million.

Its the same reason Callahan is gonna play hardball with the Rags; with the cap going up his agent knows that some team is gonna up 6 years and 35+million so whats he got to lose.
- BiggE

after Clarkson last year can you blame him???

Mason stud:

I was thinking more 7 for big years.
- jmatchett383

Well if he hits Free Agency the bidding wars could certainly drive up the price.

First of all, the number of shots is irrelevant. I've seen plenty of 30-40 shot games where most are from the perimeter, or beach ball softies. The Devils in their prime had very low shot counts, yet they won lots of games. Quality over quantity. Second, you mentioned Holmgren at the helm. Whom would have as GM to make those deals? Doesn't seem like a legitimate concern unless you bring a viable solution to the issue you state. I LOVE Hextall myself, but let's not forget, with the same core group LA has from their cup year, they are in an awful slump, too. Hexy may be a great GM one day, but it's no panacea. And three, someone earlier mentioned Mason in his list of tradeable players. Unless you had a bonafide, number one, young netminder coming back, you don't move him either. When was the last time the Flyers had a calming, steady goalie you could count on to NOT be a whack job in the net, and the locker room?
- Hokeeguy9

no true. if you look at the njd teams from the cup years they weren't many 13 shot wins in there and almost none in the playoffs. i remember some games when they were outshot 40-20 but kept many opponent chances to the outside, and the game was more even than the shot total.
you play that game yesterday 20 times and come out on top maybe 4-6 times. sure you can win games that way, but not often enough to contend for the cup. previous poster correctly pointed out that team defense can make up for lack of talent on the blueline, which points to this team's (or any team's) lack of ability to play that way every night. quality defense will make up for those games when everyone isn't on the same page.
you're welcome to think this team is capable of competing for the cup, i just do not share that opinion and think changes need to be made. i'm not an nhl gm so who is available and what our guys might bring is the acme of speculation

edit: my feelings about and comments on holmgren's ability are based on the state of the team: hard against the cap, old and slow on the blue line, sparse on the blue-chip prospects in the system......i've seen enough; who they replace him with is, once again, beyond my ability to speculate and irrelevant in what actually happens.

no true. if you look at the njd teams from the cup years they weren't many 13 shot wins in there and almost none in the playoffs. i remember some games when they were outshot 40-20 but kept many opponent chances to the outside, and the game was more even than the shot total.
you play that game yesterday 20 times and come out on top maybe 4-6 times. sure you can win games that way, but not often enough to contend for the cup. previous poster correctly pointed out that team defense can make up for lack of talent on the blueline, which points to this team's (or any team's) lack of ability to play that way every night. quality defense will make up for those games when everyone isn't on the same page.
you're welcome to think this team is capable of competing for the cup, i just do not share that opinion and think changes need to be made. i'm not an nhl gm so who is available and what our guys might bring is the acme of speculation
- hogweed

He didn't state that he thinks the Flyers can compete for the Cup, nor that changes don't need to be made.

after Clarkson last year can you blame him???
- puckhead17

not in the least, why shouldn't any player try to get the best deal possible.

He didn't state that he thinks the Flyers can compete for the Cup, nor that changes don't need to be made.
- MJL

then what's the point? nothing we say here changes anything they do or don't do. the way the team plays is very relevant and if you aren't trying to contend for the cup what are you doing?

I still think a deal can be made with Phoenix, they badly need scoring. They're not gonna move OEL, but I think deals for Yandle or Runblad are doable.

For Yandle: B. Schenn and L Schenn
I'd much rather have Yandle than Luke and baby Schenn is the price you have to, and can afford to pay
or
For Runblad: Laughton and a 3rd
I like Laughton, but with Coots and B Schenn on the roster, he's expendable

then what's the point? nothing we say here changes anything they do or don't do. the way the team plays is very relevant and if you aren't trying to contend for the cup what are you doing?
- hogweed

Getting to the point of being a legitimate Cup contender is a process. Making the moves they made after 2010, along with the Pronger injury has changed the timetable. The process is ongoing. And I assure you the Flyers know that they need to, and will make every attempt to make the changes they think needs to be made. The point being made was really about the LA game and the perception of it due to the shot differential, rather then the long term prognosis of the team.

I still think a deal can be made with Phoenix, they badly need scoring. They're not gonna move OEL, but I think deals for Yandle or Runblad are doable.

For Yandle: B. Schenn and L Schenn
I'd much rather have Yandle than Luke and baby Schenn is the price you have to, and can afford to pay
or
For Runblad: Laughton and a 3rd
I like Laughton, but with Coots and B Schenn on the roster, he's expendable
- BiggE

It would be tough to make either deal. Not sure I'd make the first deal. And I doubt I'd make the second deal. Although Runblad is somewhat of an unknown.

Getting to the point of being a legitimate Cup contender is a process. Making the moves they made after 2010, along with the Pronger injury has changed the timetable. The process is ongoing. And I assure you the Flyers know that they need to, and will make every attempt to make the changes they think needs to be made. The point being made was really about the LA game and the perception of it due to the shot differential, rather then the long term prognosis of the team.
- MJL

Mike Keenan used to say winning cures everything. I doubt any of the players went to bed last night depressed over being outshot

It would be tough to make either deal. Not sure I'd make the first deal. And I doubt I'd make the second deal. Although Runblad is somewhat of an unknown.
- MJL

You wouldn't make either deal from a Flyers perspective or from a Phoenix perspective?

You wouldn't make either deal from a Flyers perspective or from a Phoenix perspective?
- BiggE

From a Flyers perspective.

From a Flyers perspective.
- MJL

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree

BTW new blob is up

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree

BTW new blob is up
- BiggE

Well I'll expand my viewpoint to see if it makes sense. I think Yandle is a very good puck moving offensive defenseman. And he's dynamic offensively. And he would no doubt help the Flyers. But he is another defenseman that is not an all situations player, that would have to be used correctly, and hidden from certain situations. I don't want to pay that price for that kind of player. I'd pay it for a more all around all situations player though.

As far as Rundblad is concerned. He is 23, which is still fairly young for a defenseman, who has not established himself as a full time NHL player yet. So the question to me is, is Runblad that much better then the Flyers current corps of defense prospects to make the cost of Laughton worth it? I don't know enough to make that determination. And I don't think anyone on this board can either. If the Flyers think he is, then make the deal. But he would have to be significantly better to make it.