Also Gardiner stinks too....why do you even want him?
- The-O-G

They obviously aren't going to do this trade.

Let's do this.

Leddy, Morin, Pirri, Kostka and a 1st for Gio. You sending this in or am I?

If you look back at his post he never mentioned Pronger, you guys just assumed he did.

I know it's a stretch for the Leafs to assume anything.
- whipper334

Oh, never looked that far back...

well it was either Pronger or Neidermayer... he was referring to Anaheim's success after they acquired a veteran d.
- Aetherial

Nope! He was focusing on what Ana gave up to get a vet D man.

Would you like to trade Monahan for Bozak?

Right now Bozak is undisputedly the better player, he's able to play on the powerplay, the penalty kill, he's be a good stabilizing presence at the center spot. Might even be the #1C!
- Feeling Glucky?

Ok I get it. You guys want to be in a perpetual rebuild. You are clearly in the same spot as the Flames with us at yr 1 of a rebuild. When does it end for you guys?

Thank you.

I disagree. The leafs are one of the youngest teams in the league and are nowhere near contending.

I don't see it happening at all in the next 7 or 8 years, not if Kessel and Phaneuf are our core 1-2 guys.
- Aetherial

Give this man a medal

Ok I get it. You guys want to be in a perpetual rebuild. You are clearly in the same spot as the Flames with us at yr 1 of a rebuild. When does it end for you guys?
- TandA4Flames

Well, yes and no. You wanna be a contender and have good young prospects at the same time, so that you can unload vets like Chicago does and have good cheap guys to replace them. This while having a core locked up...

easy reponse to all of this.

Would you trade Sean Monahan for Mike Ribeiro? probably not.

Gio is a great player, but he isn't a bonafide #1 D (he doesn't stack up to Chara, Subban, Letang, Keith, etc) and he's not an all star. He's a good top pairing, sometimes second pairing D that is versatile, a workhorse, and a leader.

He would make a great addition to a team making a playoff push.
Two types of trades would happen.
1. a Contender team gives up a young player, picks, or prospects, to obtain him to add a depth piece to a solid team for a push
2. a middling team trades an equivalent player back (making salary even) and the equivalent player would be packaged with a pick or prospect to make the Flames want it, in an attempt to squeek into the playoffs.

As we are the latter, we would not trade a Gardiner type player. You would get a Clarkson and Biggs, or something similar.

Oh, never looked that far back...
- aminnes

Yeah it was more about the fact Ana gave up young talent to get Pronger.

Ok I get it. You guys want to be in a perpetual rebuild. You are clearly in the same spot as the Flames with us at yr 1 of a rebuild. When does it end for you guys?
- TandA4Flames

A rebuild ends when you've established a core of players that can often compete with the higher ranked teams, and maintain a status quo of 6th place or higher in the conference. At that point, it is ok to add the other key components in an attempt to go from a rebuild to a contender

Ahhh tough minutes...

You mean like the toughest minutes of any NHL player that Phaneuf plays... and consistently gets called overrated by everyone?
- Aetherial

Difference is is that Gio is good at it. Also he's a hell of a lot cheaper.

easy reponse to all of this.

Would you trade Sean Monahan for Mike Ribeiro? probably not.

Gio is a great player, but he isn't a bonafide #1 D (he doesn't stack up to Chara, Subban, Letang, Keith, etc) and he's not an all star. He's a good top pairing, sometimes second pairing D that is versatile, a workhorse, and a leader.

He would make a great addition to a team making a playoff push.
Two types of trades would happen.
1. a Contender team gives up a young player, picks, or prospects, to obtain him to add a depth piece to a solid team for a push
2. a middling team trades an equivalent player back (making salary even) and the equivalent player would be packaged with a pick or prospect to make the Flames want it, in an attempt to squeek into the playoffs.

As we are the latter, we would not trade a Gardiner type player. You would get a Clarkson and Biggs, or something similar.
- ILoveLamp

Gio would be a HUGE boost to the Leafs D

easy reponse to all of this.

Would you trade Sean Monahan for Mike Ribeiro? probably not.

Gio is a great player, but he isn't a bonafide #1 D (he doesn't stack up to Chara, Subban, Letang, Keith, etc) and he's not an all star. He's a good top pairing, sometimes second pairing D that is versatile, a workhorse, and a leader.

He would make a great addition to a team making a playoff push.
Two types of trades would happen.
1. a Contender team gives up a young player, picks, or prospects, to obtain him to add a depth piece to a solid team for a push
2. a middling team trades an equivalent player back (making salary even) and the equivalent player would be packaged with a pick or prospect to make the Flames want it, in an attempt to squeek into the playoffs.

As we are the latter, we would not trade a Gardiner type player. You would get a Clarkson and Biggs, or something similar.
- ILoveLamp

Clarkson for Gio????

OK well call me crazy but I don`t think the Leafs are that far off from possibly doing some damage in the east.

Add in a top pairing D man, not to mention the intangibles that GIO brings and it wouldn`t surprise me.
- The-O-G

Intangibles

(5 or less )

Ok I get it. You guys want to be in a perpetual rebuild. You are clearly in the same spot as the Flames with us at yr 1 of a rebuild. When does it end for you guys?
- TandA4Flames

lets think logically

We havent won a cup since 67

We have been known for trading first round picks and young players for older guys to make a push.

We are FINALLY...and i'll say it again... FINALLY trying to do this correctly by holding on to our picks and young assets. having patience.

When Burke came in, we thought it was the start of that... we were wrong. You know the trade. We got a hell of a player in return. top 5 pure goal scorers in the league. But not a centerpiece.

Now, with a couple good trades, that made us younger and holding on to our 1st rounders we have re-stocked some cupboards.

And here we are with this crap with trading a 1st and a young high roster player for guys who are already in their 30's to try and make a push in the playoffs.

It's insulting. and Any Leaf fan who thinks this is a good idea should be ashamed.


end rant.

Clarkson for Gio????

- The-O-G

That's what you would get.
A salary dump (as Leafs only have $1mil of cap space), and a young prospect or pick.

Burkie will like Clarkson. He has truculence

lets think logically

We havent won a cup since 67

We have been known for trading first round picks and young players for older guys to make a push.

We are FINALLY...and i'll say it again... FINALLY trying to do this correctly by holding on to our picks and young assets. having patience.

When Burke came in, we thought it was the start of that... we were wrong. You know the trade. We got a hell of a player in return. top 5 pure goal scorers in the league. But not a centerpiece.

Now, with a couple good trades, that made us younger and holding on to our 1st rounders we have re-stocked some cupboards.

And here we are with this crap with trading a 1st and a young high roster player for guys who are already in their 30's to try and make a push in the playoffs.

It's insulting. and Any Leaf fan who thinks this is a good idea should be ashamed.


end rant.
- Cherry--Skoal

^ This guy. Pleasssse don't do it. I want to watch us grow. Not give everything away for geezers to watch our youngins prosper elsewhere.

Let them grow! Keep our team from within. (frank) sakes I don't wanna go through this for another 15 years.

easy reponse to all of this.

Would you trade Sean Monahan for Mike Ribeiro? probably not.

Gio is a great player, but he isn't a bonafide #1 D (he doesn't stack up to Chara, Subban, Letang, Keith, etc) and he's not an all star. He's a good top pairing, sometimes second pairing D that is versatile, a workhorse, and a leader.

He would make a great addition to a team making a playoff push.
Two types of trades would happen.
1. a Contender team gives up a young player, picks, or prospects, to obtain him to add a depth piece to a solid team for a push
2. a middling team trades an equivalent player back (making salary even) and the equivalent player would be packaged with a pick or prospect to make the Flames want it, in an attempt to squeek into the playoffs.

As we are the latter, we would not trade a Gardiner type player. You would get a Clarkson and Biggs, or something similar.
- ILoveLamp

Monohan for Mike Riberio???

First of all....Mike Riberio is a rat loser.....

Second of all....he`s 3 year older

Third, he is ranked far worse at the forward position than Gio is at his position

Fourth, he makes more than Gio, and his overpriced contract is for longer

Fifth, the Leafs are WAY further along than the Flames in terms of rebuilding

Sixth, Riberio brings zero leadership qualities or intangibles, which Gio is full of

Seventh, Monahan is a better prospect than Gardiner

Gio would be a HUGE boost to the Leafs D
- robin_steele264

No.

No.
- Compeyson

Oh for sure he would be.


But not at the price we are talking about.

No.
- Compeyson

I can't believe how dumb some of you guys are. To think Gio wouldn't help your D is just plain ridiculous.

Oh for sure he would be.


But not at the price we are talking about.
- Cherry--Skoal

Fair enough.

I can't believe how dumb some of you guys are. To think Gio wouldn't help your D is just plain ridiculous.
- whipper334

Still not getting the point.

No one is arguing that Gio wouldn't help our D.
The argument is that we do not want to give up young players who are developing for a 30 yr old.
To Leaf fans, Gardiner has a lot of potential and flashes of pure brilliance. Other times he looks like a saggy diaper. We are willing to wait it out and see what happens with him, as the potential could be far greater than the downside. If we're wrong, we're wrong.

Fair enough.
- whipper334

You'll get a salary dump and a middling prospect and like it.

Still not getting the point.

No one is arguing that Gio wouldn't help our D.
The argument is that we do not want to give up young players who are developing for a 30 yr old.
To Leaf fans, Gardiner has a lot of potential and flashes of pure brilliance. Other times he looks like a saggy diaper. We are willing to wait it out and see what happens with him, as the potential could be far greater than the downside. If we're wrong, we're wrong.
- ILoveLamp

The guy I replied to did.

Fair enough.
- whipper334

if the leafs traded a 1st and young player for a 30 year old.

Do you know how many people from other teams would be in here saying how haven't the Leafs learned their lesson and such?

2 weeks ago we were heading to the basement, there would be no way anyone would want our first round traded.

5 wins in a row and some think we can trade Gardiner and a 1st now?

People make me sick

Sensationalism