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Forums :: Blog World :: Eklund: Looking at 9 on the Bubble for Team Canada. A Very Strong Case for Giroux
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BoBBeR56
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Leaf Nation, ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jan 2 @ 1:47 PM ET
Every centre on the team can play wing.
Sharp would be a bad pick, and would ride the pine the whole tournament if selected.

- Scooby_Doo

You only say that cause you hate the Hawks...
Sharp could make the team for sure.
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Jan 2 @ 1:48 PM ET
Every centre on the team can play wing.
Sharp would be a bad pick, and would ride the pine the whole tournament if selected.

- Scooby_Doo



LMAO
BoBBeR56
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Leaf Nation, ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jan 2 @ 1:49 PM ET
No question giroux is a better player, at the same time stop with the product of Crosby poop , the guy puts up 20 + every season , on the ducks and two whole seasons with no Crosby , is he a hall of fame superstar no!!! Should he be on team canada bc of his production and esp bc of his chemistry with Sid yes!
- Brianandr1

How many guys on team Canada put up 20+goals annually? Pretty much every one, so that is not a stat to go by alone.
BoBBeR56
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Leaf Nation, ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jan 2 @ 1:51 PM ET
Even if that's true, which it's not!!! Based on his chemistry with Crosby he should be there , are there 10 guys better , yes for sure, will any of them have the chemistry with Crosby????? Again I don't know and neither do u, Crosby Kunitz is a slam dunk
- Brianandr1

Yah, because if you put Stamkos and St.Louis on Crosby's wings they won't score a few together? Why can Crosby's linemate be the only one to have chemistry with Sid?
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jan 2 @ 1:52 PM ET
How many guys on team Canada put up 20+goals annually? Pretty much every one, so that is not a stat to go by alone.
- BoBBeR56

Exactly, like I don't even see how people are trying to rationalize Kunitz on this team... Putting up 20+ goals is not something players on Team Canada should be judged by... EVERYONE on the team does it regularly.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jan 2 @ 1:54 PM ET
the idea of bringing Kunitz based on his chemistry with Crosby is a joke. who in the past hasn't produced when playing with Crosby? i don't remember people wanting to bring Alex Tanguay in 2002 because he produced with Joe Sakic.
Nate_Oilfan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.30.2013

Jan 2 @ 1:57 PM ET
Now I know I am biased and I am not just pinning this on Ek because it seems to be pretty much all analysts outside of Edmonton's opinion... But why Hall isn't on every list is beyond me. Not knocking the player you have picked over him as they are great talents but Hall is far and away better than about 6 or 7 of them. Not to mention his speed in the top 6 on the big ice would be an amazing place for him to flourish. His defensive game is actually improved this year as well.
Oilers42
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 06.14.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:00 PM ET
Hall-Crosby-Tavares
Nash-Toews-Stamkos
Couture-Duchene-Giroux
Benn-Getzlaf-Perry
Bergeron Staal

Doughty-Weber
Keith-Subban
Boumeester-Pietrangelo
Spares-Giordano-Vlasic

Price
Loungo
Smith
Oh and EK you should take that Apple App Store ads off they take you to the app without clicking on it
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:00 PM ET
Crosby is the best player in the world for a reason, he makes everyone around him better. The question is would you rather have Kunitz and Stamkos working together when teams key on Crosby? or St Louis and Stamkos? To me it's a no brainer, nothing against Kunitz but without Crosby his name would not even be mentioned for this team. Crosby makes plays happen because of his vision, not his chemistry, lesser players might need familiar linemates, but I think we can agree Crosby is not a lesser player, and if chemistry is so important why isn't the Stamkos Stlouis factor important? (BTW is Stamkos gonna be back for sure now?)

On a side note I'd really like to see Jamie Benn as a 4th line energy guy (big and fast)
RileyB77
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Canada
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:00 PM ET
i think st louis is in, not sure why so many ppl leave him out...brings offense, defense, leadership, and heart...just a great guy to have...kills penalties, does PP, has a lot of speed, he fits the bill
JasonDh
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 08.30.2011

Jan 2 @ 2:01 PM ET
Now I know I am biased and I am not just pinning this on Ek because it seems to be pretty much all analysts outside of Edmonton's opinion... But why Hall isn't on every list is beyond me. Not knocking the player you have picked over him as they are great talents but Hall is far and away better than about 6 or 7 of them. Not to mention his speed in the top 6 on the big ice would be an amazing place for him to flourish. His defensive game is actually improved this year as well.
- Nate_Oilfan


THIS
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Jan 2 @ 2:01 PM ET
St. Louis - Crosby - Stamkos
Tavares - Toews - Giroux
Duchene - Getzlaf - Perry
Carter - Bergeron - Thornton

Extras: Eric Staal and Couture


Ek, of the current teams in the east and west that are in playoff spots who do you think drops out? And who steps up?

- GOLEAFS71


Richards over Carter. Plus I'd trade Thorton for Sharp. Great guys for the PK.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:09 PM ET
Now I know I am biased and I am not just pinning this on Ek because it seems to be pretty much all analysts outside of Edmonton's opinion... But why Hall isn't on every list is beyond me. Not knocking the player you have picked over him as they are great talents but Hall is far and away better than about 6 or 7 of them. Not to mention his speed in the top 6 on the big ice would be an amazing place for him to flourish. His defensive game is actually improved this year as well.
- Nate_Oilfan


I'm not trying to get a CGY EDM fight going, but until Edmonton starts winning consistently, the players on that team won't be taken seriously for things like the Olympics. If Edmonton was battling for a playoff spot, Hall would be being discussed weekly on TSN for team Canada. But since they are losing, he is going to carry with him a reputation for not being "a big game, or clutch player". You need to be seen as a Winner to make this team.
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:10 PM ET
Crosby is the best player in the world for a reason, he makes everyone around him better. The question is would you rather have Kunitz and Stamkos working together when teams key on Crosby? or St Louis and Stamkos? To me it's a no brainer, nothing against Kunitz but without Crosby his name would not even be mentioned for this team. Crosby makes plays happen because of his vision, not his chemistry, lesser players might need familiar linemates, but I think we can agree Crosby is not a lesser player, and if chemistry is so important why isn't the Stamkos Stlouis factor important? (BTW is Stamkos gonna be back for sure now?)

On a side note I'd really like to see Jamie Benn as a 4th line energy guy (big and fast)

- Saskabush

This is simply wrong!!! I ve said it three or four times but I'll say it again ... Kunitz has put up numbers the last four years comparable with all but the top wingers inthe game , 40 to 50 % no Crosby bc of concussions and broken jaw, unlike most of what I'm reading that's a fact!!! Not an opinion, that combined with chemistry , physical game , penalty killing et should earn him a spot on this team!!! How can u people keep saying he s a product of Crosby when Crosby missed half the games ????
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:10 PM ET
Crosby is the best player in the world for a reason, he makes everyone around him better. The question is would you rather have Kunitz and Stamkos working together when teams key on Crosby? or St Louis and Stamkos? To me it's a no brainer, nothing against Kunitz but without Crosby his name would not even be mentioned for this team. Crosby makes plays happen because of his vision, not his chemistry, lesser players might need familiar linemates, but I think we can agree Crosby is not a lesser player, and if chemistry is so important why isn't the Stamkos Stlouis factor important? (BTW is Stamkos gonna be back for sure now?)

On a side note I'd really like to see Jamie Benn as a 4th line energy guy (big and fast)

- Saskabush

This is simply wrong!!! I ve said it three or four times but I'll say it again ... Kunitz has put up numbers the last four years comparable with all but the top wingers inthe game , 40 to 50 % no Crosby bc of concussions and broken jaw, unlike most of what I'm reading that's a fact!!! Not an opinion, that combined with chemistry , physical game , penalty killing et should earn him a spot on this team!!! How can u people keep saying he s a product of Crosby when Crosby missed half the games ????
TheRollingPuck
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "All things considered (defense) I'd put a prime Kunitz on par with one way kessel."
Joined: 04.10.2010

Jan 2 @ 2:13 PM ET
Starting to lean towards "yes". I think he would excel on the big ice surface and be an asset to the power play.
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:18 PM ET
Crosby is the best player in the world for a reason, he makes everyone around him better. The question is would you rather have Kunitz and Stamkos working together when teams key on Crosby? or St Louis and Stamkos? To me it's a no brainer, nothing against Kunitz but without Crosby his name would not even be mentioned for this team. Crosby makes plays happen because of his vision, not his chemistry, lesser players might need familiar linemates, but I think we can agree Crosby is not a lesser player, and if chemistry is so important why isn't the Stamkos Stlouis factor important? (BTW is Stamkos gonna be back for sure now?)

On a side note I'd really like to see Jamie Benn as a 4th line energy guy (big and fast)

- Saskabush

No question on stamkos but will he be healthy? Broken tibia is no joke and that was an ugly injury
Nate_Oilfan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.30.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:22 PM ET
I'm not trying to get a CGY EDM fight going, but until Edmonton starts winning consistently, the players on that team won't be taken seriously for things like the Olympics. If Edmonton was battling for a playoff spot, Hall would be being discussed weekly on TSN for team Canada. But since they are losing, he is going to carry with him a reputation for not being "a big game, or clutch player". You need to be seen as a Winner to make this team.
- Saskabush


Haha my beef with Calgary is not as strong as my beef with the Nucks at this point so no worries at all. I definitely see your validity of your opinion as well. However how can you pass up on the guy who was rated 3rd best (should have been 2nd best) LW in the league last year. Not to mention this year is actually playing even better than last. His plus/minus stat is the only black mark and that is highly over shaddowed by the 2 game -5 playing at center experiment that definitely didn't work. Just food for thought
Oilers42
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 06.14.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:24 PM ET
I'm not trying to get a CGY EDM fight going, but until Edmonton starts winning consistently, the players on that team won't be taken seriously for things like the Olympics. If Edmonton was battling for a playoff spot, Hall would be being discussed weekly on TSN for team Canada. But since they are losing, he is going to carry with him a reputation for not being "a big game, or clutch player". You need to be seen as a Winner to make this team.
- Saskabush

This is wrong Tavares is on a poop team has been out played by hall in every year of their careers (Ex/21v21) and hall at his ppg pace would be 3rd in scoring without missing games
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:28 PM ET
This is simply wrong!!! I ve said it three or four times but I'll say it again ... Kunitz has put up numbers the last four years comparable with all but the top wingers inthe game , 40 to 50 % no Crosby bc of concussions and broken jaw, unlike most of what I'm reading that's a fact!!! Not an opinion, that combined with chemistry , physical game , penalty killing et should earn him a spot on this team!!! How can u people keep saying he s a product of Crosby when Crosby missed half the games ????
- Brianandr1


That isn't what I said at all...If you would read it I said that without Crosby, Kunitz wouldn't be considered for this team...which is a FACT. You have to remember if Kunitz goes he will be playing on the top line of the DEEPEST forward group in the world...does a 40 to 61 (his career best) point per year guy deserve that? Quite simply, NO!

P.S
If your arguing that Kunitz deserves to be there based on his play...Mat Moulson and Justin Williams are available...similar points over the last few years, but that would be crazy when you realize Mike Richards, Joe Thornton, Claude Giroux etc. are all on the bubble.
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:33 PM ET
That isn't what I said at all...If you would read it I said that without Crosby, Kunitz wouldn't be considered for this team...which is a FACT. You have to remember if Kunitz goes he will be playing on the top line of the DEEPEST forward group in the world...does a 40 to 61 (his career best) point per year guy deserve that? Quite simply, NO!

P.S
If your arguing that Kunitz deserves to be there based on his play...Mat Moulson and Justin Williams are available...similar points over the last few years, but that would be crazy when you realize Mike Richards, Joe Thornton, Claude Giroux etc. are all on the bubble.

- Saskabush

Even if that's true , there is still the chemistry , if it's not a big issue then please explain teams like the oilers and the rangers that seemingly have lots of talent but don't win???
JoeyG1951
Location: Campbell River, BC
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jan 2 @ 2:34 PM ET
Girioux is not a bottom 6 type of player. Not on the team. I know you want him to Ek but not a fit.
- yttrohs


Giroux has to be on the team. He brings heart, physicality and is arguably the best face off man of the bunch.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:36 PM ET
Haha my beef with Calgary is not as strong as my beef with the Nucks at this point so no worries at all. I definitely see your validity of your opinion as well. However how can you pass up on the guy who was rated 3rd best (should have been 2nd best) LW in the league last year. Not to mention this year is actually playing even better than last. His plus/minus stat is the only black mark and that is highly over shaddowed by the 2 game -5 playing at center experiment that definitely didn't work. Just food for thought
- Nate_Oilfan


I never said it was fair/warranted...I have a similar issue (though the case might not be as strong) with the lack of consideration for Giordano... I really hope he plays his way onto that team.
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
Giroux has to be on the team. He brings heart, physicality and is arguably the best face off man of the bunch.
- flyerdude17


While he's good on the faceoff for sure, he's no Bergeron.

Bergeron is over 61% this year which is easily best in the league. Toews is 57%.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jan 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
Even if that's true , there is still the chemistry , if it's not a big issue then please explain teams like the oilers and the rangers that seemingly have lots of talent but don't win???
- Brianandr1


Well the Oiler have poor defence, and goaltending (though that has improved to be fair) and a lack of veteran leadership.....none of those things will be an issue for team Canada though...Someone else can answer for the Rangers (don't follow, and/or give 2 sh*ts about them) My argument is that chemistry between Stlouis and Stamkos should be just as, if not more important than chemistry between Crosby and Kunitz. When teams key on Crosby you still have 2 of the best in the NHL to deal with...if they leave Crosby alone, then he burns you. Win Win
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