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huangism
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jan 2 @ 3:58 PM ET
I would definitely put Kunitz in there because the chemistry with Crosby. it's a short tourney, why go look for new chemistry when you can slot someone who has great chemistry and a toughness to the game
B-Mac
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 02.02.2010

Jan 2 @ 3:59 PM ET
Giroux-Crosby-Stamkos
Sharp-Toews-Duchene
Couture-Tavares-Seguin
Benn-Getzlaf-Perry
(Hall, Bergeron)

Keith - Seabrook
Subban - Weber
Boumeester- Pietrangelo

(Doughty)

Price
Luongo
Smith

these lines aren't anything I would set in stone....but i think this team is solid for the big ice, guys like Thornton can't be as effective on the big ice especially with the fast mobile teams that the european teams will be bringing. Seguin is a long shot for sure, but I like his speed and ability at Center over a guy like Hall....plus the added chemistry with a guy like Benn if there needs to be some line juggling

that Benn-Getzlaf-Perry line is gold tho, my god that line would destroy in the NHL lol
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:02 PM ET
Giroux-Crosby-Stamkos
Sharp-Toews-Duchene
Couture-Tavares-Seguin
Benn-Getzlaf-Perry
(Hall, Bergeron)

Keith - Seabrook
Subban - Weber
Boumeester- Pietrangelo

(Doughty)

Price
Luongo
Smith

these lines aren't anything I would set in stone....but i think this team is solid for the big ice, guys like Thornton can't be as effective on the big ice especially with the fast mobile teams that the european teams will be bringing. Seguin is a long shot for sure, but I like his speed and ability at Center over a guy like Hall....plus the added chemistry with a guy like Benn if there needs to be some line juggling

that Benn-Getzlaf-Perry line is gold tho, my god that line would destroy in the NHL lol

- B-Mac


Id rather see Doughty paired with Keith and Seabs as the extra D man, if even on the roster at all....And im not so sure about Seguin bein on there either...Other than that, pretty solid.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:05 PM ET
From that group you put up there I'd only take Thornton, Couture and Carter out.

Insert Kunitz, Benn and Sharp (or Hall) and you'll have a more balanced lineup.

- Orpik44

couture is on this team.
period.

it's not even up for debate
huangism
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jan 2 @ 4:06 PM ET
Seabrook is a must for me, he is underrated. He brings leadership and great defensive abilities to the team, not to mention his offence has picked up this year
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:06 PM ET
Giroux-Crosby-Stamkos
Sharp-Toews-Duchene
Couture-Tavares-Seguin
Benn-Getzlaf-Perry
(Hall, Bergeron)

Keith - Seabrook
Subban - Weber
Boumeester- Pietrangelo

(Doughty)

Price
Luongo
Smith

these lines aren't anything I would set in stone....but i think this team is solid for the big ice, guys like Thornton can't be as effective on the big ice especially with the fast mobile teams that the european teams will be bringing. Seguin is a long shot for sure, but I like his speed and ability at Center over a guy like Hall....plus the added chemistry with a guy like Benn if there needs to be some line juggling

that Benn-Getzlaf-Perry line is gold tho, my god that line would destroy in the NHL lol

- B-Mac



as soon as someone takes doughty out of the top 6 they lose all credibility and can no longer be taken seriously.
its literally not that far off from removing toews from our forward core.

and one other thing; seguin is great and definitely deserves a look. but using speed as a reason u like someone over OVER hall?..i think u might be confused.
and being center might actually be abit of a hinderance in canadas case. with having so many centers, a guy who is a natural winger might actually get the nod.

where do people get these insane ideas?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:09 PM ET
as soon as someone takes doughty out of the top 6 they lose all credibility and can no longer be taken seriously.
its literally not far off from removing toews from our forward core.

and one other thing; seguin is great and definitely deserves a look. but using speed as a reason u like someone over OVER hall?..i think u might be confused.

where do people get these insane ideas?

- hugefemale dog77


DING DING DING DING DING


Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:12 PM ET
as soon as someone takes doughty out of the top 6 they lose all credibility and can no longer be taken seriously.
its literally not far off from removing toews from our forward core.

and one other thing; seguin is great and definitely deserves a look. but using speed as a reason u like someone over OVER hall?..i think u might be confused.

where do people get these insane ideas?

- hugefemale dog77

agreed
i always assumed that if seabrook makes it he dbe paired with keith... chemistry once again ... doughty with weber
PensFan1103
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jan 2 @ 4:14 PM ET
Wow, some of you people need to watch players before you critic them. Kunitz is not a product of Crosby. Are his numbers enhance by Crosby, sure, but not nearly to the degree you all make it out to be. Kunitz hockey IQ is almost on par with Crosby if you watch him play. He know exactly where Crosby is going to be just as much as Crosby knows where he is going to be. These two guys feed off of each other, it isn't a one way street of Kunitz feeding off of Crosby.

Personally I couldn't care less if Kunitz makes the team or not, because in my opinion it isn't a huge dropoff or increase one way or the other because Canada is so stacked at forward.

Also, why are there so many Kunitz vs Giroux comparisons, I personally think both of those guys will make the team, and it isn't going to be one or the other. I think Giroux is a definite, and I think Kunitz makes it over some of the other bubble guys.
PensFan1103
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jan 2 @ 4:16 PM ET
Duplicate Post
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:16 PM ET
agreed
i always assumed that if seabrook makes it he dbe paired with keith... chemistry once again ... doughty with weber

- Brianandr1

I actually like doughty and keith together.

in 2010 I think seabs making it had a lot to do with chemistry. but by the end of the tourney keith was moved with drew and they were our top pair anyway with seabs ice time cut.

I wouldn't be completely opposed to seabrook making it. a great player.
but id like to see;

doughty-keith
weber-subban
pietr-jaybo

xtras; seabrook/letang
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:17 PM ET
Seabrook is a must for me, he is underrated. He brings leadership and great defensive abilities to the team, not to mention his offence has picked up this year
- huangism


I love him to death and he's clutch, but im worried about his pace on the big ice compared to some of the other options out there. Id put him on the team as a 7th or 8th Dman if anything.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:19 PM ET
I actually like doughty and keith together.

in 2010 I think seabs making it had a lot to do with chemistry. but by the end of the tourney keith was moved with drew and they were our top pair anyway with seabs ice time cut.

I wouldn't be completely opposed to seabrook making it. a great player.
but id like to see;

doughty-keith
weber-subban
pietr-jaybo

xtras; seabrook/letang

- hugefemale dog77


I like those picks, but I'm thinking they might add one more left-hander for the extras. Not sure who wouldn't make it, but Team Canada's so right-handed, you might need one more lefty just in case Keith gets hurt (because I don't think you can run JBo with five righties).
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:19 PM ET
Wow, some of you people need to watch players before you critic them. Kunitz is not a product of Crosby. Are his numbers enhance by Crosby, sure, but not nearly to the degree you all make it out to be. Kunitz hockey IQ is almost on par with Crosby if you watch him play. He know exactly where Crosby is going to be just as much as Crosby knows where he is going to be. These two guys feed off of each other, it isn't a one way street of Kunitz feeding off of Crosby.

Personally I couldn't care less if Kunitz makes the team or not, because in my opinion it isn't a huge dropoff or increase one way or the other because Canada is so stacked at forward.

Also, why are there so many Kunitz vs Giroux comparisons, I personally think both of those guys will make the team, and it isn't going to be one or the other. I think Giroux is a definite, and I think Kunitz makes it over some of the other bubble guys.

- PensFan1103

I don't think anyone is trying to say that Kunitz isn't skilled, and that ALL of his production is a product of playing with Crosby. But, ask yourself this: would or could he do this consistently without Crosby? I think the vast majority on this site would say no. If Canada iced two international teams, he'd be on Canada B. I just don't see how you can take him over players with pedigrees for scoring or play-making. As well, everyone who seems to think he should be on the team is automatically placing him on the 1st line with Crosby... Really...? You want your first line left wing to be Kunitz? I think that's the issue here, is how can you justify it when you look at the list of other players? Chemistry is a key to the puzzle, but at this level, a very small one I would think.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:20 PM ET
Wow, some of you people need to watch players before you critic them. Kunitz is not a product of Crosby. Are his numbers enhance by Crosby, sure, but not nearly to the degree you all make it out to be. Kunitz hockey IQ is almost on par with Crosby if you watch him play. He know exactly where Crosby is going to be just as much as Crosby knows where he is going to be. These two guys feed off of each other, it isn't a one way street of Kunitz feeding off of Crosby.

Personally I couldn't care less if Kunitz makes the team or not, because in my opinion it isn't a huge dropoff or increase one way or the other because Canada is so stacked at forward.

Also, why are there so many Kunitz vs Giroux comparisons, I personally think both of those guys will make the team, and it isn't going to be one or the other. I think Giroux is a definite, and I think Kunitz makes it over some of the other bubble guys.

- PensFan1103


kunitz is a very solid player. and I wouldn't be too angry if he made it.

but kunitz would not be putting up those numbers without Crosby. he's played with some other great centers (getzlaf) and that much has been proven.

I just think that there are other more talented wingers that would of course put up the same numbers alongside Crosby. probably better in fact as they're putting pu relative numbers ALONE and without that help.

there's an argument to be made about short tourney chemistry for sure. but I don't believe kunitz is near one of the top 8 Canadian wingers and I wouldn't take him
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:21 PM ET
kunitz is a very solid player. and I wouldn't be too angry if he made it.

but kunitz would not be putting up those numbers without Crosby. he's played with some other great centers (getzlaf) and that much has been proven.

I just think that there are other more talented wingers that would of course put up the same numbers alongside Crosby. probably better in fact as they're putting pu relative numbers ALONE and without that help.

there's an argument to be made about short tourney chemistry for sure. but I don't believe kunitz is near one of the top 8 Canadian wingers and I wouldn't take him

- hugefemale dog77


This is true -- you're on fire today
B-Mac
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 02.02.2010

Jan 2 @ 4:22 PM ET
as soon as someone takes doughty out of the top 6 they lose all credibility and can no longer be taken seriously.
its literally not that far off from removing toews from our forward core.

and one other thing; seguin is great and definitely deserves a look. but using speed as a reason u like someone over OVER hall?..i think u might be confused.
and being center might actually be abit of a hinderance in canadas case. with having so many centers, a guy who is a natural winger might actually get the nod.

where do people get these insane ideas?

- hugefemale dog77


Doughty only isn't in my pairings because I though of his name last lol he could easily replace Subban or Seabrook....Keith Seabrook is just an obvious pairing to make so i made it.

Seguin played a ton of Wing in Boston, his versatility to play center or wing is what i was implying as in game changes occur/injuries, and the speed over Hall wasn't to say he was faster but more of he has the same dynamic speed Hall does, so you're not losing that putting him in the lineup over Hall.

as I said in my original post none of this is set in stone in my mind in terms of lines and pairings....please go back and read before you question credibility
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:22 PM ET
I like those picks, but I'm thinking they might add one more left-hander for the extras. Not sure who wouldn't make it, but Team Canada's so right-handed, you might need one more lefty just in case Keith gets hurt (because I don't think you can run JBo with five righties).
- AllInForFlyers


Originally it was Vlassic, but a lot of the recent talk has been Hamhuis.


HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:23 PM ET
I don't think anyone is trying to say that Kunitz isn't skilled, and that ALL of his production is a product of playing with Crosby. But, ask yourself this: would or could he do this consistently without Crosby? I think the vast majority on this site would say no. If Canada iced two international teams, he'd be on Canada B. I just don't see how you can take him over players with pedigrees for scoring or play-making. As well, everyone who seems to think he should be on the team is automatically placing him on the 1st line with Crosby... Really...? You want your first line left wing to be Kunitz? I think that's the issue here, is how can you justify it when you look at the list of other players? Chemistry is a key to the puzzle, but at this level, a very small one I would think.
- Flyers_V88

fantastic post. much better put than I was able to

canada's first line left winger is chris kunitz?? no

and he's not gonna be put on any other line as he's making the team cause of his partnership with sid.


no slight to kunitz. solid player. but not canadas first line good
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:23 PM ET
Originally it was Vlassic, but a lot of the recent talk has been Hamhuis.
- Canuckleafer


Yeah, I could see either one of those -- it'll be somebody like that, a defensively responsible guy who can move the puck just a bit, low-maintenance.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:25 PM ET
I like those picks, but I'm thinking they might add one more left-hander for the extras. Not sure who wouldn't make it, but Team Canada's so right-handed, you might need one more lefty just in case Keith gets hurt (because I don't think you can run JBo with five righties).
- AllInForFlyers

vlasic a leftie?
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:26 PM ET
Originally it was Vlassic, but a lot of the recent talk has been Hamhuis.
- Canuckleafer

question answered. merci.

easy to forget hamhuis as an extra.
so underrated.
so solid
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:26 PM ET
I disagree. Playing on the RW with either Toews or Bergeron he's got a solid two-way game and is a guy that can sub in at C and still be effective on the dot (51.4%).
- MaximumBone

I call avatar theft!
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 2 @ 4:27 PM ET
This is true -- you're on fire today
- AllInForFlyers

Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 2 @ 4:28 PM ET
I don't think anyone is trying to say that Kunitz isn't skilled, and that ALL of his production is a product of playing with Crosby. But, ask yourself this: would or could he do this consistently without Crosby? I think the vast majority on this site would say no. If Canada iced two international teams, he'd be on Canada B. I just don't see how you can take him over players with pedigrees for scoring or play-making. As well, everyone who seems to think he should be on the team is automatically placing him on the 1st line with Crosby... Really...? You want your first line left wing to be Kunitz? I think that's the issue here, is how can you justify it when you look at the list of other players? Chemistry is a key to the puzzle, but at this level, a very small one I would think.
- Flyers_V88

Disagree . . Crosby has been hurt for half the past four seasons , and in a 14 day tournament chemistry is one of the most important factors , it's seems like the majority here want to pick the top 14 forwards regardless of how they fit like an all star team . . Kunitz is not as good as Benn, St. Louis , giroux, hall, almost every name mentioned , but the question is what makes the team better for a 14 day tournament , the answer is Kunitz on the team as sid s lw bc of the gauranteed chemistry and as a penalty killer/ shot blocker
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