I dont even know what to expect to be honest. I should probably check the outcomes of previous games. I expect a high scoring game for some reason, has that been the case in the past?
- systemtool

Don't thing the rangers caps game was high was it?

I'd guess a 5-4 final for the wings.

Dear lord. The salary cap will dictate how much these guys can demand and expect to get paid. You really think Tavares with next seasons expected cap, or the season after for this matter, wouldn't allow him to demand and get much more? Didn't Tavares sign when there was the lockout and the cap was expected to or had gone wayyy down? FFS you should know better McKenzie.
- systemtool

I can agree, but come on, for Kadri he really thinks he should be paid that now, and this bridge contract will make him think he has waited his time out, no matter if he grows in to what he should be.

Subban is a perfect example, get a bridge contract show yourself and get paid 5-7 mill a year, Kardi is playing like a 3 mill person, I will give him that, but he wants much more...

totally agree. And it should be.

Tavares all around game is hands down better IMO
- IRON.MAIDEN

yep, tavares does it all.

I sure am. TSN has gotten stale over the years.

Some of the personalities at Sportsnet suck, but that'll change hopefully....
- IRON.MAIDEN

Yes, I am hopeful Sportsnet will up their game. First thing they need is on-air, play by play talent. And I'm seriously hoping that does NOT mean Jim Hughson.

This is from September

"Bob McKenzie reports that Nazem Kadri might be looking at 6 years and $5.5 million per year.

That is a contract similar to John Tavares.

Is Nazem Kadri worth the same as John Tavares? How would you compare the two players?
"

That is a big issue, and personally it should be someone else's issue, talent or not.
Wants something when he has not even grown in to a player close to what he thinks he is.
- SgtSerge

Check what he signed for.

Exactly. Perfect time for Kadri to be up for a contract. For Tavares, it was a horrible time and he got screwed by the timing of how everything went down.
- systemtool

You would pay Kadri 5.5 million with his play? Kadri is worth no more then 3.5 mill until he has 2 years of quality play on at least the 2nd line.... right now I am thinking he is a 2nd or 3rd liner at 3 mill.

I can agree, but come on, for Kadri he really thinks he should be paid that now, and this bridge contract will make him think he has waited his time out, no matter if he grows in to what he should be.

Subban is a perfect example, get a bridge contract show yourself and get paid 5-7 mill a year, Kardi is playing like a 3 mill person, I will give him that, but he wants much more...
- SgtSerge

Actually, Subban is a horrible example. Habs (frank)ed themselves. Probably could have gotten 5-5.5 a year and will now want, and get, at least 7 million per year.

Check what he signed for.

- burn

Yeah as a bridge, like Subban, except he is going to want a lot more when this is over, Subban has shown what he can do where Kadri has shown he is a 2nd maybe 3rd line player currently and does not deserve anything over 3.5 in his next contract.

He will want much more and it will be a problem....

You would pay Kadri 5.5 million with his play? Kadri is worth no more then 3.5 mill until he has 2 years of quality play on at least the 2nd line.... right now I am thinking he is a 2nd or 3rd liner at 3 mill.
- SgtSerge

I would wait and see what his play has been like by this time next year. No rush to trade or sign him right now. I would pay him 4 - 4.5 for a long term contract right now though, if he was willing to accept that. 20 million, 5 years would be perfect for me. Even 18 million, 4 years.

Det car and phx all have 9 loser points in just half the season
Something has to change

Actually, Subban is a horrible example. Habs (frank)ed themselves. Probably could have gotten 5-5.5 a year and will now want, and get, at least 7 million per year.
- systemtool

Yes but they did not know if he was a ticking time bomb or needed to mature, now they know and will pay him.

It would have been a risk to sign him that long for that money not knowing if you will have to ship him out the next year because of issues.

Same with Kadri, he thinks he is worth 5 mill now and he is not, his attitude seems to be one that he does not care what the coach said..... I think we are learning about Kardi more and more...

Yeah as a bridge, like Subban, except he is going to want a lot more when this is over, Subban has shown what he can do where Kadri has shown he is a 2nd maybe 3rd line player currently and does not deserve anything over 3.5 in his next contract.

He will want much more and it will be a problem....
- SgtSerge

And when this contract is over, and if his production stays the same, it'll be an uphill fight on his side to ask for more.
He was at the advantage of having a full/.half season under his belt at a point a game clip almost. He had bargaining power. After he plays the next 2 seasons, there will be no question as to what type of player he is, as there was at this current signing.

I would wait and see what his play has been like by this time next year. No rush to trade or sign him right now. I would pay him 4 - 4.5 for a long term contract right now though, if he was willing to accept that. 20 million, 5 years would be perfect for me. Even 18 million, 4 years.
- systemtool

Yeah 4 for 4 would be high, for what he seems to bring to the team as a player and teammate....

Great thing about opinions, we are both right

Yes but they did not know if he was a ticking time bomb or needed to mature, now they know and will pay him.

It would have been a risk to sign him that long for that money not knowing if you will have to ship him out the next year because of issues.

Same with Kadri, he thinks he is worth 5 mill now and he is not, his attitude seems to be one that he does not care what the coach said..... I think we are learning about Kardi more and more...
- SgtSerge

All contracts to non elite players are risks. You can't be afraid to roll the dice sometimes, especially when it comes to one of your most talented young players. Of course Kadri and Subban were/are risks, but you make it seem like it's always a better outcome if you wait to pay them. That's not the case.

Det car and phx all have 9 loser points in just half the season
Something has to change
- MTL1

league wants pairity.

good luck with the system changing.

I don't think anybody can compare any contract to Tavares'. He signed the most ludicrously cheap deal of any top player in the past decade.


1. Gud ol Canadian boye
or
2. Drugged with sodium pentathol during the negotiations
or
3. His agent is Garth Snow

man Leafs fans and media are pathetic. Lets take a guy that has played 48 total games, and produced for maybe 15 of those games, and say he is a better solution than the guy that was 2nd in team scoring last season. you think we are maybe jumping the gun just a little? There is no way, Holland has proven anything to take his spot.

As for a trade, give the guy the remainder of his contract and if things don't return to last years levels, look to package him in a move. Sick of the leafs moving their high draft picks too soon, and letting other teams dump their mediocre garbage on them.

I agree that Kadri needs to step things up a little and start using his wingers more. He needs to be the play maker, who pots the occasional goal. This is where he will excel, right now he's trying to be the guy who carries the puck, and the guy who gets the shot/scoring chance on net. If he starts dishing the puck more than shooting, he will be much better off.

league wants pairity.

good luck with the system changing.
- IRON.MAIDEN

If they want to keep the shootout - then keep it
Just get rid of the loser point

I don't think anybody can compare any contract to Tavares'. He signed the most ludicrously cheap deal of any top player in the past decade.


1. Gud ol Canadian boye
or
2. Drugged with sodium pentathol during the negotiations
or
3. His agent is Garth Snow
- AdamFrench

Sucks he signed the long term deal. Should have gotten the (frank) out of there as soon as he could.

Sucks he signed the long term deal. Should have gotten the (frank) out of there as soon as he could.
- systemtool

Bailey, Josh » $3,300,000 $3,300,000 $3,300,000 $3,300,000 $3,300,000

Bailey, Josh » $3,300,000 $3,300,000 $3,300,000 $3,300,000 $3,300,000


- AdamFrench

That guy reeks.

All contracts to non elite players are risks. You can't be afraid to roll the dice sometimes, especially when it comes to one of your most talented young players. Of course Kadri and Subban were/are risks, but you make it seem like it's always a better outcome if you wait to pay them. That's not the case.
- systemtool

No it is for sure not, but I can see where you get that form.

players I would have wanted to wait and see before I sign long term big money
- Subban
- Kadri
- Yakapov
- Seguin

Many others do not have the same risk for me, but many don't have the same rewards as well....

If they want to keep the shootout - then keep it
Just get rid of the loser point
- MTL1

I would like to see half points. or points weighted towards reg wins

I would like to see half points. or points weighted towards reg wins
- senstroll

2 points for reg win
1 point forOT/SO win
0 points for loss

Thoughts?

No it is for sure not, but I can see where you get that form.

players I would have wanted to wait and see before I sign long term big money
- Subban
- Kadri
- Yakapov
- Seguin

Many others do not have the same risk for me, but many don't have the same rewards as well....
- SgtSerge

I agree, the bridge deal for Subban made sense as new management needed to be sure his head was at the right place before giving him a long term contract.

I don't care if we'll pay him more than we would have. It was the right thing do to.