Not a fan of how Reimer is being handled this year at all..
- IRON.MAIDEN

Same

Fine...we'll have 2 referees trolling their own team.
- djamon

Because I don't think Dion is worth the contract and I believe the Leafs are better off without him in the long run, is trolling? It's my opinion just like other people here critic other players on this team.

Clearly all these guys won't be back.

What big-ticket, impact UFA's are available in the off-season?

So, what exactly was your point?
- Aetherial

The point is how to allocate remaining funds for next season which was brought about if Raymond could be signed and fit under the cap

An evaluation of who the fans would want to keep from the list of current players provided

The Leafs need defensive help - one UFA that could be of interest is Dan Girardi

I won't repeat it, but it was an inside joke between sloppy 2nds and I.
- I-own_da-Northwest

I missed it.

Yeah but you sloughed off the +/- and then went on to point out how many costly turnovers he commits.

Uh, if he committed that many costly turnovers, he would not have have such a good +/- playing against the toughest competition in the league?

Your argument kinda made no sense.
- Aetherial

I simply have no respect for the +/- stat as it tells you very little about the effeciency of a player.

I see you guys whine all the time about how Phaneuf cough up the puck during games but I guess that's just my imagination.

Because I don't think Dion is worth the contract and I believe the Leafs are better off without him in the long run, is trolling? It's my opinion just like other people here critic other players on this team.
- LeafMan

I've got no problem with your opinion Lou, and i don't see what you are saying as trolling, even though you are dead wrong IMO.

Not everyone has a wet ass over what you're saying.

I missed it.

- sloppyseconds2

If ya head over to sfb I'll tell ya over there lol

The point is how to allocate remaining funds for next season which was brought about if Raymond could be signed and fit under the cap

An evaluation of who the fans would want to keep from the list of current players provided

The Leafs need defensive help - one UFA that could be of interest is Dan Girardi
- MTL1

There is simply no point in playing the Salary Cap ad UFA game so soon. Most of the better UFAs wont even reach free agency, and if they do it's because they demanded far more than their GMs were willing to pay. Also, players will be traded and the roster will look different by the time the salary cap becomes a factor sometime in Sept/Oct.

We could have had this convo last year, but it would have been pointless as nobody saw the Clarkson signing, Bernier and Bolland trades, Holland trade, the great Raymond discount, the Grabo buyout etc coming back in the winter of last season.

If ya head over to sfb I'll tell ya over there lol
- I-own_da-Northwest

Because I don't think Dion is worth the contract and I believe the Leafs are better off without him in the long run, is trolling? It's my opinion just like other people here critic other players on this team.
- LeafMan

Don't worry, I get that all the time.

42nd in points
12th in +/-
81st in PP points
24th in TOI
8th in hits
21st in blocked shots
33rd in shots

Most common stats when assessing a defenseman of his ilk, in my opinion, and he ranks 31st overall. Just saying.
- Colin Dambrauskas

You're proving my point. Do you seriously think you could find more than 20 guys with better overall stats? Not likely. Throw in his quality of opposition, who he's been forced to play with etc.

I get that a 7 year contract makes people nervous, but it would have taken him about 10 minutes to get that offer from multiple teams in the off-season, so that's what his value is...whether people like it or not.

There is simply no point in playing the Salary Cap ad UFA game so soon. Most of the better UFAs wont even reach free agency, and if they do it's because they demanded far more than their GMs were willing to pay. Also, players will be traded and the roster will look different by the time the salary cap becomes a factor sometime in Sept/Oct.

We could have had this convo last year, but it would have been pointless as nobody say the Clarkson signing, Bernier and Bolland trades, Holland trade, the great Raymond discount, the Grabo buyout etc back in the winter of last season.
- systemtool

I think it would be a fair guess, that if this slide continues, Reimer and Raymond will be traded away for assets.
And by seasons end, Liles will be gone, wither replaced through another high priced contract, or salary dumped with picks sent to a different team

Because I don't think Dion is worth the contract and I believe the Leafs are better off without him in the long run, is trolling? It's my opinion just like other people here critic other players on this team.
- LeafMan

Fair enough...but to me it's HOW you express that opinion.

Because I don't think Dion is worth the contract and I believe the Leafs are better off without him in the long run, is trolling? It's my opinion just like other people here critic other players on this team.
- LeafMan

friggin' troll!

I simply have no respect for the +/- stat as it tells you very little about the effeciency of a player.

I see you guys whine all the time about how Phaneuf cough up the puck during games but I guess that's just my imagination.
- Scabeh

Some fans point out every negative. Some, not all. Some also point out many of his postive, some not all, and you would be factoring that in too if you say what we say all the time about Phaneuf. I guess you conveniently ignored that aspect, but maybe it was just your imagination.

That said, considering this is a Leaf thread and he's a Leaf fan, it's fine for him to share his opinion about the team we share. Even if it's negative. As you so willingly and gladly do. He also points out a plethora of positive facts about the Leafs. Something you never both with. There is a difference here that im sure you can at least allow us to point out and aknowledge/admit to.

49 Million is a random number to agree upon.

Because I don't think Dion is worth the contract and I believe the Leafs are better off without him in the long run, is trolling? It's my opinion just like other people here critic other players on this team.
- LeafMan

Think about how many minutes he logs/how bad we'd become if we didn't re-sign him… Also take into account how much he'd get in the open market

It isn't the most ideal situation but the fact is that he's able to play against the oppositions top players and eat up a ton of minutes.

We've got an extremely young/inexperienced d-core. So if Phaneuf is not here, who then, will replace those minutes?

We become the Oilers of the East if Phaneuf is moved. Enjoy the below market rate for a guy that's reasonable defensively and is a + offensively.

You're proving my point. Do you seriously think you could find more than 20 guys with better overall stats? Not likely. Throw in his quality of opposition, who he's been forced to play with etc.

I get that a 7 year contract makes people nervous, but it would have taken him about 10 minutes to get that offer from multiple teams in the off-season, so that's what his value is...whether people like it or not.
- djamon

this is my fav argument.. since others are willing to make a mistake the leafs should be as well?

gold jerry gold.

You're proving my point. Do you seriously think you could find more than 20 guys with better overall stats? Not likely. Throw in his quality of opposition, who he's been forced to play with etc.

I get that a 7 year contract makes people nervous, but it would have taken him about 10 minutes to get that offer from multiple teams in the off-season, so that's what his value is...whether people like it or not.
- djamon

I'm guessing by his stats, he found 30 D better.....

I'm guessing by his stats, he found 30 D better.....
- IRON.MAIDEN

nhl.com stats page... its not hard to find

friggin' troll!
- Pecafan Fan

Apparently, we must all be in line to worship #3.

Saturday is for worshipping #3

Sunday is for the other God.

Gilmour
22yrs old - 1984-85 St. Louis Blues NHL 78 21 36 57 (0.73ppg)
23 yrs old - 1985-86 St. Louis Blues NHL 74 25 28 53 (0.71ppg)

Kadri
22yrs - 2012-13 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 48 18 26 44 (0.91ppg)
23 yrs - 2013-14 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 37 11 12 23 (0.62ppg)


Just saying....not sure why people are being so hard on Kadri who just turned 23...
- Colin Dambrauskas

Gilmour was never about the stats, people don't love Gilmour for his stats.
Comparison means nothing.

this is my fav argument.. since others are willing to make a mistake the leafs should be as well?

gold jerry gold.
- Dozzer

That's not others making a mistake... that's the reality of the NHL... Dion's new contract is very fair and appropriate... he would have got more than $7 million per as a UFA... we did good to get him at that price... a mere $500k over what he was already making...

Great deal!

Apparently, we must all be in line to worship #3.

Tuesday is for worshipping #3

Sunday is for the other God.
- LeafMan

fixed.

I'm guessing by his stats, he found 30 D better.....
- IRON.MAIDEN

He didn't... or he would have posted those 30 better D and their superior stats...