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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 23 @ 10:30 AM ET
Our second line has to be changed up. Hartnell and Simmonds aren't good on a line together and Schenn is struggling at center.

Bright side for tonight's match up is we do not have to face Josh Harding.

- Schenn2shine


agreed.

backstrom is still quite capable though.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 23 @ 10:32 AM ET
Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds
McGinn-Couturier-Read
Hartnell-Hall-Rinaldo
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 10:34 AM ET
Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds
McGinn-Couturier-Read
Hartnell-Hall-Rinaldo

- youarewrong


Rather see VandeVelde than McGinn. I've noticed VandeVelde in every game he's played. McGinn disappears a lot more frequently.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 23 @ 10:36 AM ET
Rather see VandeVelde than McGinn. I've noticed VandeVelde in every game he's played. McGinn disappears a lot more frequently.
- Jsaquella


really doesnt matter to me.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
I would def bring Lauridsen up. I like Hal Gill as a locker room guy, he has had a nice career, but Luaridsen can do everything he can and should be part of the Flyers future.
- flyers2001

You know what they should do with good locker room guys who can't play any more? Make the coaches. This signing of the dead weight annoys me. And I love Hal Gill.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 10:41 AM ET
really doesnt matter to me.
- youarewrong


Then why post it in the first place?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 23 @ 10:45 AM ET
You know what they should do with good locker room guys who can't play any more? Make the coaches. This signing of the dead weight annoys me. And I love Hal Gill.
- bodiva88


The new icing rule allows Gill to not have to move all the way back to touch, that will extend him for a few more years
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 23 @ 10:46 AM ET
I think if the duct tape on Grossmann's knees ever gave way and he was on the shelf for an extended period of time, I don't think Gill would slide into that spot. I think they would call up Lauridsen.

I think they intend to just spot Gill for a game or two in the event of injury.

- johndewar


Which I'm fine with.

I've actually been impressed with Grossmann's resiliency this season. I was pretty sure he was concussed by a elbow in a preseason game against Washington, but he was fine.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 23 @ 10:48 AM ET
Then why post it in the first place?
- Jsaquella


I like McGinn. But really, I'm not going to waste 3 pages debating my preference of McGinn on the 3rd line over Valveeta.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 23 @ 10:48 AM ET
Rather see VandeVelde than McGinn. I've noticed VandeVelde in every game he's played. McGinn disappears a lot more frequently.
- Jsaquella


i like what VV is doing right now. no need to take him out.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 23 @ 10:48 AM ET
You know what they should do with good locker room guys who can't play any more? Make the coaches. This signing of the dead weight annoys me. And I love Hal Gill.
- bodiva88


and he loves you.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 23 @ 10:49 AM ET
I like McGinn. But really, I'm not going to waste 3 pages debating my preference of McGinn on the 3rd line over Valveeta.
- youarewrong


oh come on, you know you want to.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 10:53 AM ET
i like what VV is doing right now. no need to take him out.
- hammarby31


He's played solid hockey. Also, since he's become a regular they have been able to use the 4th line more minutes per game, and Rinaldo's actually been more effective, drawing more penalties and avoiding the box himsef.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 10:55 AM ET
I like McGinn. But really, I'm not going to waste 3 pages debating my preference of McGinn on the 3rd line over Valveeta.
- youarewrong


Ah, yes the good old "throw something out there and then refuse to discuss it" dodge...great idea for a discussion board
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 23 @ 10:55 AM ET
He's played solid hockey. Also, since he's become a regular they have been able to use the 4th line more minutes per game, and Rinaldo's actually been more effective, drawing more penalties and avoiding the box himsef.
- Jsaquella


yep. he's proving to be useful. not bad for a scrap heap minor league find.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 23 @ 10:56 AM ET
He's played solid hockey. Also, since he's become a regular they have been able to use the 4th line more minutes per game, and Rinaldo's actually been more effective, drawing more penalties and avoiding the box himsef.
- Jsaquella


Hasn't he been also used on the PK?
I like he and Raffl as better options on the PK then Rinaldo
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

Dec 23 @ 10:58 AM ET

- Jsaquella


I think we can skip the airing of grievances and got right to the feats of strength.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 10:59 AM ET
yep. he's proving to be useful. not bad for a scrap heap minor league find.
- hammarby31


A lot of those guys can be highly effective 4th liners, provided they're willing to work hard and play a certain style.

A guy like Peter White could never seem to understand that by working on his defensive game, he could be a regular in the NHL, instead of leading the AHL in scoring
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 11:00 AM ET
Hasn't he been also used on the PK?
I like he and Raffl as better options on the PK then Rinaldo

- puckhead17


He's seen some PK time, but it's been sparingly.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 23 @ 11:01 AM ET
oh come on, you know you want to.
- hammarby31


Meh, McGinn doesn't even really produce at an AHL level all that consistently. He will always be a tweener.


youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 23 @ 11:01 AM ET
Ah, yes the good old "throw something out there and then refuse to discuss it" dodge...great idea for a discussion board
- Jsaquella


Like I said I could care less if its McGinn on the 3rd line or Vaner sloot. The major idea behind it was dropping Hartnell to the 4th line. Either way, once Downie is back it wont matter.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 11:03 AM ET
From the beat writers: Mason starting, looks like Meszaros is in
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 23 @ 11:05 AM ET
Like I said I could care less if its McGinn on the 3rd line or Vaner sloot. The major idea behind it was dropping Hartnell to the 4th line. Either way, once Downie is back it wont matter.
- youarewrong

Then Hartsey goes to the 5th line
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
Like I said I could care less if its McGinn on the 3rd line or Vaner sloot. The major idea behind it was dropping Hartnell to the 4th line. Either way, once Downie is back it wont matter.
- youarewrong


You might want to make mention of that in your first response. Easy enough to say, "Well that's fine, but my main point is to demote Hartnell to the 4th line" Far more understandable when you highlight your main point
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
Meh, McGinn doesn't even really produce at an AHL level all that consistently. He will always be a tweener.
- MBFlyerfan


It is completely possible, but I feel like he deserved a shot. When he has played this year, he has been more productive then any other call-up we have had. Probally even Raffl if you go by points per game. IMO its just a shame that just because of what scouts think about him, he gets passed over, despite what he has done while he was on the team.

I'm not a hure McGinn fan, but I think he deserved better then he got. Sure come up, score more goals in 3 games then anyone on the team through 10, but we are still sending you down and bringing everyone else but you up.

To be honest, I wouldnt mind seeing Cousins or Straka getting a quick look either. Valveeta also earned his shot. Like I said, it doesn't matter to me who you pencil in there. And that is why I wasn't going to discuss it for 3 pages.
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