buffalofan19
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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Going back to the original part of the conversation, though. I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to make the feature rink only 1,800 to 2,000 seat capacity. That's what the Northtown Center is. What's the point? |
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sbroads24
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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UB football hasn't been good enough for a long enough period of time. One good season every once in a while isn't going to get people to grab on. You need years of constant winning. You need to build a winning tradition in order to get people to really catch on. The same goes for Niagara Hockey. They would essentially need to be a perennial Frozen Four contender, especially because they play in Niagara Falls, which is out of the way for a lot of people. - buffalofan19
Boise State comes to mind. |
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ImThatGuy
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Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY Joined: 11.04.2010
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The problem with everything in this area is how draining NYC is on the rest of the state. If you aren't in NYC you are a second rate NYS resident - Stripes77
Ain't that the truth. If I am on vacation and I am asked where Im from and I say I'm from New York instead of saying Buffalo I am asked how I like living in NYC.
Even if people look at my ID out of state they ask how close I am to NYC.
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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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I'm hoping with this new forward thinking regime that NYS has can "figure it out"
I think a major sports problem in this area is how draining the Bills have been. That trickles down to everywhere else sports wise. - ImThatGuy
This regime really isn't that forward thinking. New York State has the worst (as in ranked #50 out of 50 states) tax structure in the country. Until they figure out how to change that, nothing is going to make a material difference, not even this billion dollar start-up incentive. |
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hubie
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY Joined: 06.28.2011
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Ain't that the truth. If I am on vacation and I am asked where Im from and I say I'm from New York instead of saying Buffalo I am asked how I like living in NYC.
Even if people look at my ID out of state they ask how close I am to NYC. - ImThatGuy
From living in Kentucky, Buffalo is the 6th Burrough |
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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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Boise State comes to mind. - sbroads24
Yeah, but I wonder how long that is going to last now that Chris Peterson jumped ship to Washington. |
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Stripes77
Referee Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY Joined: 07.30.2012
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Going back to the original part of the conversation, though. I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to make the feature rink only 1,800 to 2,000 seat capacity. That's what the Northtown Center is. What's the point? - buffalofan19
The point is the Northtown Center is a dump. Canisius draws about 800 fans as it is so them playing in an arena that holds 4000 plus is a waste. The junior Sabres draw a couple hundred a game as well. This area will never be a major draw for amateur hockey. So there really isn't a need unless they decide to make a BIG time hockey program. Which even then will take years to gain the followers needed to fill a bigger arena |
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hubie
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY Joined: 06.28.2011
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Yeah, but I wonder how long that is going to last now that Chris Peterson jumped ship to Washington. - buffalofan19
IN 2-3 years well be an after thought, will be back to that team that has the blue turf.
Edit: Be intersting with Baylor when Art Briels takes the Texas Job |
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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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The point is the Northtown Center is a dump. Canisius draws about 800 fans as it is so them playing in an arena that holds 4000 plus is a waste. The junior Sabres draw a couple hundred a game as well. This area will never be a major draw for amateur hockey. So there really isn't a need unless they decide to make a BIG time hockey program. Which even then will take years to gain the followers needed to fill a bigger arena - Stripes77
Perhaps, but if the goal is to at least try to draw more amateur hockey here, even if it is delusional, you would think they'd aim a little higher. They've handcuffed themselves from the start. |
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Stripes77
Referee Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY Joined: 07.30.2012
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Perhaps, but if the goal is to at least try to draw more amateur hockey here, even if it is delusional, you would think they'd aim a little higher. They've handcuffed themselves from the start. - buffalofan19
It's a little different when its a multi sheet place attached to an arena that hold 18,000. If they do get those BIG time tournaments they will play at the FNC. Why waste money (and space). The plans are to have the ice in at the FNC all year in 2015 after the hotel is completed and try to draw some big name teams. Teams like Little Caesers etc |
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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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It's a little different when its a multi sheet place attached to an arena that hold 18,000. If they do get those BIG time tournaments they will play at the FNC. Why waste money (and space). The plans are to have the ice in at the FNC all year in 2015 after the hotel is completed and try to draw some big name teams. Teams like Little Caesers etc - Stripes77
Do any of those tournaments hold anywhere close to 18,000 though? Do they draw much more than 5?
You could be right, but the one excuse UB has constantly made, for example, is that there's just not a rink big enough for them to play in. They Northtown Center couldn't work for whatever reason, and they didn't want to play at Buff State (probably because Canisius already does). Granted, even if a bigger rink was built, the foot of the FNC probably isn't the best place to put it. |
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Stripes77
Referee Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY Joined: 07.30.2012
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Do any of those tournaments hold anywhere close to 18,000 though? Do they draw much more than 5?
You could be right, but the one excuse UB has constantly made, for example, is that there's just not a rink big enough for them to play in. They Northtown Center couldn't work for whatever reason, and they didn't want to play at Buff State (probably because Canisius already does). Granted, even if a bigger rink was built, the foot of the FNC probably isn't the best place to put it. - buffalofan19
There could be a few big time youth hockey tournament teams that could get 4-5 thousand people mostly from out of towners. But I think a 2000 seat arena will be more than plenty for most of what they have planned here.
The arena used to open up for when Canisius and Niagara hosted two big time schools in a mini tournament and that only drew a few hundred fans. But the fact that is the Harbor Center is going to be run first class all the way and be a much better overall site than the Northtown Center.
If a school wanted to make a bigger arena look at Niagara for doing it first. My guess is they would blow out the wall behind the benches and build that way. They draw pretty well there adding another 1000-1500 seats wouldn't be a bad idea |
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jaumiller
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Location: Ask not what Matt Ellis can do for you, ask what can you do for Matt Ellis. , NY Joined: 12.06.2012
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How do I post a picture on here from my phone? Found something funny you all might enjoy. |
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jochfr
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Nashville , TN Joined: 07.11.2009
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Might be late but just saw Pysyk and Larsson recalled. |
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buffalofan19
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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There could be a few big time youth hockey tournament teams that could get 4-5 thousand people mostly from out of towners. But I think a 2000 seat arena will be more than plenty for most of what they have planned here.
The arena used to open up for when Canisius and Niagara hosted two big time schools in a mini tournament and that only drew a few hundred fans. But the fact that is the Harbor Center is going to be run first class all the way and be a much better overall site than the Northtown Center.
If a school wanted to make a bigger arena look at Niagara for doing it first. My guess is they would blow out the wall behind the benches and build that way. They draw pretty well there adding another 1000-1500 seats wouldn't be a bad idea - Stripes77
But is there room to do it?
EDIT: I guess you're right, and you could expand behind the benches. |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Might be late but just saw Pysyk and Larsson recalled. - jochfr
Nice. Did a forward get injured? |
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Stripes77
Referee Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY Joined: 07.30.2012
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But is there room to do it? - buffalofan19
Yeah the area behind the benches. They only sit on one side there. There was talk about expanding if the team got into the WCHA conference. |
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Stripes77
Referee Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY Joined: 07.30.2012
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Nice. Did a forward get injured? - sbroads24
The team has the flu |
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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY Joined: 11.04.2010
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Might be late but just saw Pysyk and Larsson recalled. - jochfr
So why was he sent down again? |
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sbroads24
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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The team has the flu - Stripes77
Seriously? I get sick from watching them, I didn't know they made each other sick too |
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hubie
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY Joined: 06.28.2011
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Seriously? I get sick from watching them, I didn't know they made each other sick too - sbroads24
better than giving each otehr syfilus like in blue mountain state |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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So why was he sent down again? - ImThatGuy
I don't understand either. They are going back and forth every 3 days or so. Kind of weird |
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jochfr
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Nashville , TN Joined: 07.11.2009
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New Garth blog coming?
Miller to Minny (again).
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IndianaSabresFan
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Location: Matt FRICKIN ELLIS, IN Joined: 01.17.2007
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So why was he sent down again? - ImThatGuy
and why was Weddel called up? because that is who is going down in his place |
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IndianaSabresFan
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Location: Matt FRICKIN ELLIS, IN Joined: 01.17.2007
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New Garth blog coming?
Miller to Minny (again).
- jochfr
that is one wicked pump fake on the shot.. |
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