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Jordo
Ottawa Senators
Location: 40 minute busride from downtow, ON
Joined: 06.27.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:10 PM ET
Great link. Hey, how's your captain giant, vampire-bat disco coke nostril?
- oniremosewa


Even greater rebuttal.. Good to know who I'm debating with.
Charliebox
Joined: 09.08.2008

Nov 26 @ 1:11 PM ET
On Wed/Sat and Sun only...
- Fruitcakenipple


Ahhhh.. So really nothing changes. On Sat, you can see all Canadian teams (if you have time shifting).

How many games are really on Sundays and Wednesdays? Those are the two quietest nights of the week.

Watch this. Guaranteed Ottawa's cheap ass owner is going to get as many Sunday home games next year so they are broadcast nationally.
Njuice
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Nov 26 @ 1:11 PM ET
"I'm inclined to say that Steve Yzerman didn't have high hopes for his team, in deciding to keep Jonathan Drouin in Halifax and Brent Connolly in Syracuse for the beginning of the season."

You've got this backwards. Not bringing up young kids too early is a direct attempt at having a more competitive team. A tiny, teenaged Drouin is not a better third line option than a proper experienced NHL checking forward. He's still a kid. He needs to play top minutes be effective and it's much better for the current team and for his future development not to play him in the NHL.

It's when teams bring their youngsters up too early that they are not expecting to be competitive. errr tanking. Re: The Great Disgrace(aka Edmonton Oilers)
Jordo
Ottawa Senators
Location: 40 minute busride from downtow, ON
Joined: 06.27.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:12 PM ET
Even greater rebuttal.. Good to know who I'm debating with.
- Jordo


Oh and for what its worth, he has the same amount of points as your leading scorer- so I guess not very well...
Jordo
Ottawa Senators
Location: 40 minute busride from downtow, ON
Joined: 06.27.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:13 PM ET
"I'm inclined to say that Steve Yzerman didn't have high hopes for his team, in deciding to keep Jonathan Drouin in Halifax and Brent Connolly in Syracuse for the beginning of the season."

You've got this backwards. Not bringing up young kids too early is a direct attempt at having a more competitive team. A tiny, teenaged Drouin is not a better third line option than a proper experienced NHL checking forward. He's still a kid. He needs to play top minutes be effective and it's much better for the current team and for his future development not to play him in the NHL.

It's when teams bring their youngsters up too early that they are not expecting to be competitive. errr tanking. Re: The Great Disgrace(aka Edmonton Oilers)

- Njuice


For sure, better to let these players develop and take one more significant roles later than thrust them into a position they aren't used to playing. Drouin is going to be a star in this league, no doubt. Love his game.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:14 PM ET
Ahhhh.. So really nothing changes. On Sat, you can see all Canadian teams (if you have time shifting).

How many games are really on Sundays and Wednesdays? Those are the two quietest nights of the week.

Watch this. Guaranteed Ottawa's cheap ass owner is going to get as many Sunday home games next year so they are broadcast nationally.

- Charliebox


Here's a sample Saturday that Rogers was proposing:



So it's my understanding that you'd probably have at least 3 games on City, CBC, and Rogers Sportsnet (your region) alone.
oniremosewa
Location: Astute reader.
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 26 @ 1:16 PM ET
Oh and for what its worth, he has the same amount of points as your leading scorer- so I guess not very well...
- Jordo


Oh cool, so your number one centre is scoring like a defenseman, who also happens to be outscoring your best defeseman? No wonder you're crushing it in the standings!

Also, why is Spezza's any past less relevant than Subban's? At least PK's immaturity manifested itself in overzealous on-ice practices, as opposed to Jason's, whose immaturity manifested itself in snorting Ottawa's entire supply of cocaine with Emery.

So yeah. Good to know who I'm debating with, too.
Freezewiz
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Good luck Rangers!
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 26 @ 1:17 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=388679

Great team guy. I don't know what you guys are talking about

- Jordo


with Darche? this season? lol
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Nov 26 @ 1:19 PM ET
Really? Because literally every advanced stat says otherwise. Which is weird, because you're clearly very smart and in no way regurgitating sound bytes from people who watch about as many Habs games as you do.
- oniremosewa

6forpizza
Joined: 11.29.2008

Nov 26 @ 1:19 PM ET
completely disagree. whether a team is overrated or not has nothing to do with their payroll.
- DoubleDown


Have the mighty Habs beaten the overrated Senators this year?
oniremosewa
Location: Astute reader.
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 26 @ 1:20 PM ET
Personally, I find it hilarious and mildly disturbing the way that Habs fans present themselves as the spoiled rich kids of the NHL, sticking their nose up on the rest of the teams because they dominated the league before most of their fans were even born.

Say what you want. After the Habs cup win in 1993 (21 seasons ago) Ottawa's been a better team statistically. And that includes 4 years as an expansion team starting from the absolute bottom of the barrel, in a market sandwiched between the most popular franchises in the league.


Get over yourself.

- Jordo


Hey man, if I were in any arguing that the Habs were a most successful franchise than the Sens over the past 20 years, this would a fantastic rebuttal. But I wasn't. I was merely stating the simple truths that precious few people outside of Ottawa give a rat's as about the Sens, hence their cultural irrelevance, and that, 25 games into the season, they've proven themselves to be an aggressively mediocre club, hence their statistical irrelevance.

Your reading comprehension skills are off the charts. Bravo.
Jordo
Ottawa Senators
Location: 40 minute busride from downtow, ON
Joined: 06.27.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:22 PM ET
Oh cool, so your number one centre is scoring like a defenseman, who also happens to be outscoring your best defeseman? No wonder you're crushing it in the standings!

Also, why is Spezza's any past less relevant than Subban's? At least PK's immaturity manifested itself in overzealous on-ice practices, as opposed to Jason's, whose immaturity manifested itself in snorting Ottawa's entire supply of cocaine with Emery.

So yeah. Good to know who I'm debating with, too.

- oniremosewa


First, Karlsson has 24 pts, so, 4 more than Subban. So. Good try. Subban is quite lucky that Karlsson got hurt last year.

If you want to play that game, both our #1 and #2 centres have more points than yours- so your arguments are quite irrelevant.


Regarding Spezza and coke- that's all very interesting. I don't remember seeing any of that in the news or media. Maybe you can show me where you found that, or wait- was it just something you "heard"- or better yet "a friend did coke with him".... Good try buddy.

Besides, he's a CAREER POINT PER GAME PLAYER. Not too many of those around.

If he's doing coke and getting him there, then I fully encourage him to Rob Ford it up.
oniremosewa
Location: Astute reader.
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 26 @ 1:22 PM ET
Have the mighty Habs beaten the overrated Senators this year?
- 6forpizza


They have not! Does that in any way change the fact that the Habs are both 6 points and 6 places ahead of the Sens in the standings? It does not!
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:24 PM ET
Well it means the Norris Trophy winner isn't trusted to kill penalties but whatever.
- sbroads24


And the Habs coach receives alot of heat from fans and the media for not using him there.

The only reason we have so far as to why he's not on the penalty kill is that Therrien wants to use his 6 defenseman and not overuse Subban who already plays over 24 min per game.
6forpizza
Joined: 11.29.2008

Nov 26 @ 1:31 PM ET
They have not! Does that in any way change the fact that the Habs are both 6 points and 6 places ahead of the Sens in the standings? It does not!
- oniremosewa


Irrelevent. I can quote crap too. The Sens cap hit is $56M and the Habs hit is $66M. Sens average age is 26 and the Habs average is 28. The overrated Sens have yet to be beaten this year by the Habs. Deal with it!
MunsterMike
Joined: 01.14.2010

Nov 26 @ 1:31 PM ET
On Wed/Sat and Sun only...


NHL Public Relations ‏@PR_NHL 3h

There will be no further regional games or local blackouts. Rogers has exclusive window to broadcast any game w/ Canadian team Wed/Sat/Sun

- Fruitcakenipple


I think that the Wed/Sat/Sunday thing is where TSN only had certain teams on Wednesday/Sundays and the CBC on Saturdays and Sportsnet didn't have anything those days, whereas now Sportsnet will show everything, including what the CBC didn't show on Saturdays.

Plus, everything else during the other days of the week.

That's how I read the tweet, the press release and what Daly said today.
Jordo
Ottawa Senators
Location: 40 minute busride from downtow, ON
Joined: 06.27.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:33 PM ET
Irrelevent. I can quote crap too. The Sens cap hit is $56M and the Habs hit is $66M. Sens average age is 26 and the Habs average is 28. The overrated Sens have yet to be beaten this year by the Habs. Deal with it!
- 6forpizza


Remember this beating?


robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 26 @ 1:36 PM ET
I think that the Wed/Sat/Sunday thing is where TSN only had certain teams on Wednesday/Sundays and the CBC on Saturdays and Sportsnet didn't have anything those days, whereas now Sportsnet will show everything, including what the CBC didn't show on Saturdays.

Plus, everything else during the other days of the week.

That's how I read the tweet, anyway.

- MunsterMike




The NHL guarantees there will be no more regionalization of games or blackouts.



Seems pretty clear




MunsterMike
Joined: 01.14.2010

Nov 26 @ 1:37 PM ET
The NHL guarantees there will be no more regionalization of games or blackouts.



Seems pretty clear

- robin_steele264


Which is great for the game as a whole.
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Nov 26 @ 1:37 PM ET
Irrelevent. I can quote crap too. The Sens cap hit is $56M and the Habs hit is $66M. Sens average age is 26 and the Habs average is 28. The overrated Sens have yet to be beaten this year by the Habs. Deal with it!
- 6forpizza


But how does that bring "overrated" into play? There are very few Habs fan that thought they would make the play-offs last year. There are very few that think they will this year. If anything, the typical Habs fan underrates the team year after year.
So being a fan of an irrelevant team, you've just made an irrelevant statement.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 26 @ 1:38 PM ET
Irrelevent. I can quote crap too. The Sens cap hit is $56M and the Habs hit is $66M. Sens average age is 26 and the Habs average is 28. The overrated Sens have yet to be beaten this year by the Habs. Deal with it!
- 6forpizza


It's irrelevent that, as a team, sens are having a worst season than the Habs in an argument about which team is better/worse this year?



Just calm down.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Nov 26 @ 1:44 PM ET
Have the mighty Habs beaten the overrated Senators this year?
- 6forpizza


you got me. Ottawa's 4-1 win over Montreal supercedes everything else that has happened the last 2 months.
munky123
Montreal Canadiens
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 05.10.2011

Nov 26 @ 1:48 PM ET
So disappointed in the fact that TSN will not have any games in the future. Sportsnet is ok... but the talent on the TSN panel far outweighs it!
- mlindsay



I'm happy there won't be any blackouts and the games will be broadcasted coast to coast no matter where the game is. That said sportnets analysts, play by play guys are horrible. The biggest homers!!! I look at this beinglike taking out the national post and replacing it wiyh the sun newspaper as the national newspaper. Sportsnet is sooo ghetto.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Nov 26 @ 1:48 PM ET
It's irrelevent that, as a team, sens are having a worst season than the Habs in an argument about which team is better/worse this year?



Just calm down.

- Scabeh


wow did you even SEE the BEATING the Sens gave the Habs last year?
Buffalove129
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 02.17.2012

Nov 26 @ 1:50 PM ET
Re: point 7. Assuming 5 teams from Atlantic make the playoffs, if the season ended today, does that mean Detroit would play in the Metropolitan playoffs for the first 2 rounds and could potentially win the Metro even if they aren't in that division???
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