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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
I also really like the 3 on 3 idea. 5 minutes of 4 on 4 then 5 of 3 on 3 then MAYBE a shootout? wondering if that would take too long.
One thing I never understood is why the shootout is only 3 skaters. It's not enough in my opinion. The first skater makes it and the first skater on the other team misses and the shootout is just about over. I think the AHL does 5 skaters in the shootout which I prefer
Either way, I think the shootout is stupid and shouldn't exist in a team game

- gypsypunk92

just play hockey and if the game is tied it'd tied leave the "every game has to have a winner" to the playoffs
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:26 PM ET
if you do can you do a cliff-notes style montage highlighting all the vitriol in 1 convenient place?....
- hogweed

i'd like to but i forgot that i am lazy
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 22 @ 2:29 PM ET
tempted to go back and read the homer hating posts on the downie trade day blog
- Crimsoninja


Why not make it fair and go back at the end of the season?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
http://www.sbnation.com/n...uspensions-at-home-satire

wtf
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 22 @ 2:37 PM ET
I like the idea of 3 on 3. What is the discussion, 3 on 3 for an additional 5 then SO or 3 on 3 until there is a score.

I like the idea of 3 on 3 until there is a score. It cant take too long, and if you get rid of the SO then you can get rid of the Over Time Point. Win is a win, Loss is a Loss.

- youarewrong



NHL is the only pro league that has to resort to gimmicks like the SO or taking players off the ice in OT to please casual fans -- it's an utter joke.

It's a 5v5 game... it should be decided 5v5.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
I also really like the 3 on 3 idea. 5 minutes of 4 on 4 then 5 of 3 on 3 then MAYBE a shootout? wondering if that would take too long.
One thing I never understood is why the shootout is only 3 skaters. It's not enough in my opinion. The first skater makes it and the first skater on the other team misses and the shootout is just about over. I think the AHL does 5 skaters in the shootout which I prefer
Either way, I think the shootout is stupid and shouldn't exist in a team game

- gypsypunk92


If they do make the change, I would want it to get rid of the Shoot Out. 4 on4 for 5 minutes, 3 on 3 for 5 minutes. If that isnt enough, just end in a tie at that point. The whole point for going to a shoot out was to keep teams from "playing for the tie". But when your playing 3 on 3, you can't really "play for a tie" To be honest I never had a problem with games ending in a tie, much better then crappy teams staying in the mix because of SO wins and ovetime points... If you lose in OT then you lose the Points.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 22 @ 2:40 PM ET
Bill,

Downie is a UFA at the end of the year, and I'm not sure the Flyers keep him. Do you think that 3rd line gritty winger is a role that Cousins will get a shot at?

- jmatchett383


Eventually, yes. Still a long way to go this season, though.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 22 @ 2:41 PM ET
NHL is the only pro league that has to resort to gimmicks like the SO or taking players off the ice in OT to please casual fans -- it's an utter joke.

It's a 5v5 game... it should be decided 5v5.

- Tomahawk


I hate the Shoot Out, but it did come along because teams tied with 5 minutes left would basically just play catch to get the tie. It was boring. I'm ok with a tie, but make it so the players have to play for a win.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Nov 22 @ 2:44 PM ET
Downie looks good in a mustache
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Nov 22 @ 2:45 PM ET
I hate the Shoot Out, but it did come along because teams tied with 5 minutes left would basically just play catch to get the tie. It was boring. I'm ok with a tie, but make it so the players have to play for a win.
- youarewrong
lose the shoot out,
award 3 pts for regulation win, 2 for ot win, 1 each for tie at the end of 2 ot (5 min 4 on 4, 5 min 3 on 3).
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 22 @ 2:56 PM ET
lose the shoot out,
award 3 pts for regulation win, 2 for ot win, 1 each for tie at the end of 2 ot (5 min 4 on 4, 5 min 3 on 3).

- hogweed


I dont have a problem with that.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 22 @ 3:05 PM ET
if you do can you do a cliff-notes style montage highlighting all the vitriol in 1 convenient place?....
- hogweed


Started such a thing last night...maxed out my hard drive with just joerussomano and flyernutter posts!
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 22 @ 3:06 PM ET
NHL is the only pro league that has to resort to gimmicks like the SO or taking players off the ice in OT to please casual fans -- it's an utter joke.

It's a 5v5 game... it should be decided 5v5.

- Tomahawk


Also a joke: games ending in a tie
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Nov 22 @ 3:11 PM ET
Also I like how chief said, 'our third line played well, or whatever line you want to call it.'
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 22 @ 3:15 PM ET
Also a joke: games ending in a tie
- johndewar

bigger joke....a team game ending in an individual skills competition
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 22 @ 3:17 PM ET
What is the flyers record since mjl's ban?

Hmmmmm...

- ggunky


i had this exact thought earlier today but was too lazy to dig for the timing. seems like they're somehow tied to together. or maybe i just want them to be.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 22 @ 3:18 PM ET
I think you guys are over blowing JJs homerism. He's a hometown announcer. Of course he's gonna be a homer.

We do it all the time- complain about a call or non call or say "UMMM OFFSIDES THANK YOU!" or get pumped when we score or Mason makes a huge save. JJ is a flyers fan too and he tries to make these comments sound as non biased as possible because he's a commentator.

I like the way he calls the game. I like the way he has fun with it. And to the "Simmonds punch in the face" thing, things happen quickly in real time. Maybe he actually thought it was a punch in the face.

People used to love what Harry said "Here's the pitch...... RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE for a ball" but JJ gets poop on when he says "And here's a turnover by the flyers as the Caps carry it in...they say it's onsides...."

I like his emotion and enthusiasm and I like his calls. I could do without Coatsey though
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Nov 22 @ 3:19 PM ET
I think you guys are over blowing JJs homerism. He's a hometown announcer. Of course he's gonna be a homer.

We do it all the time- complain about a call or non call or say "UMMM OFFSIDES THANK YOU!" or get pumped when we score or Mason makes a huge save. JJ is a flyers fan too.

I like the way he calls the game. I like the way he has fun with it. And to the "Simmonds punch in the face" thing, things happen quickly in real time. Maybe he actually thought it was a punch in the face.

People used to love what Harry said "Here's the pitch...... RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE for a ball" but JJ gets poop on when he says "And here's a turnover by the flyers as the Caps carry it in...they say it's onsides...."

I like his emotion and enthusiasm and I like his calls. I could do without Coatsey though

- Giroux_Is_God


agreed
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 22 @ 3:26 PM ET
bigger joke....a team game ending in an individual skills competition
- nastyflyergirl


I think both ties and the shoot out are a joke, but ties, to me, are a far bigger joke.

Loser points are stupid too.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 22 @ 3:28 PM ET
I think you guys are over blowing JJs homerism. He's a hometown announcer. Of course he's gonna be a homer.

We do it all the time- complain about a call or non call or say "UMMM OFFSIDES THANK YOU!" or get pumped when we score or Mason makes a huge save. JJ is a flyers fan too and he tries to make these comments sound as non biased as possible because he's a commentator.

I like the way he calls the game. I like the way he has fun with it. And to the "Simmonds punch in the face" thing, things happen quickly in real time. Maybe he actually thought it was a punch in the face.

People used to love what Harry said "Here's the pitch...... RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE for a ball" but JJ gets poop on when he says "And here's a turnover by the flyers as the Caps carry it in...they say it's onsides...."

I like his emotion and enthusiasm and I like his calls. I could do without Coatsey though

- Giroux_Is_God


i'd like a team of dave strader, keith jones, and bill clement. i'm sick of jj and coatsey is a buffoon.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 22 @ 3:28 PM ET
I think you guys are over blowing JJs homerism. He's a hometown announcer. Of course he's gonna be a homer.

We do it all the time- complain about a call or non call or say "UMMM OFFSIDES THANK YOU!" or get pumped when we score or Mason makes a huge save. JJ is a flyers fan too and he tries to make these comments sound as non biased as possible because he's a commentator.

I like the way he calls the game. I like the way he has fun with it. And to the "Simmonds punch in the face" thing, things happen quickly in real time. Maybe he actually thought it was a punch in the face.

People used to love what Harry said "Here's the pitch...... RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE for a ball" but JJ gets poop on when he says "And here's a turnover by the flyers as the Caps carry it in...they say it's onsides...."

I like his emotion and enthusiasm and I like his calls. I could do without Coatsey though

- Giroux_Is_God


I agree.

Coatsey is everyone's favorite uncle who makes inappropriate remarks about his wife's sister and probably only brings cheap beer to family parties. He's harmless.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 22 @ 3:31 PM ET
Couldn't agree more. There are no ties in this league any more just wins and losses.
- mayorofangrytown


Theoretically, a team could lose every game and still be "better" than a team with 30 wins.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 22 @ 3:32 PM ET
i'd like a team of dave strader, keith jones, and bill clement. i'm sick of jj and coatsey is a buffoon.
- hammarby31

I do like Dave Strader.

I just think JJ isn't as bad/homerish as he gets made out to be on here. Compared to some of the REAL homers out there he really isn't that bad.

Tl;dr it could be a lot worse
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 22 @ 3:37 PM ET
I do like Dave Strader.

I just think JJ isn't as bad/homerish as he gets made out to be on here. Compared to some of the REAL homers out there he really isn't that bad.

Tl;dr it could be a lot worse

- Giroux_Is_God


it's not the homerism - it's phrases, cadence, inflection etc....just don't like it anymore. i've never gotten over gene hart.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 22 @ 3:40 PM ET
it's not the homerism - it's phrases, cadence, inflection etc....just don't like it anymore. i've never gotten over gene hart.
- hammarby31

Kind of like how I have to listen to Tom McCarthy instead of Harry....

Tom isn't that bad but....
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