http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Edmonton+Oilers+York+Rangers+Chris/9129214/story.html

"The Oilers have long liked the Rangers’ offensive defenceman Michael Del Zotto, too."
- rangerdanger94

I saw that too.

friedman, Mackenzie, dreger, brooks etc???
it was your post, not mine. you dropped those names.

burden of proof is on you to prove they said it. not me to disprove it..

no. his value is what he gets traded for. not what some teams offer. that's just what theyre willing to pay. this isn't neccasarily the same as somebody else.

and you don't know a thing about me. I want to move that pick, regardless of what spot it is. so instead of going on for 2 paragraphs getting your oiler fan insults in, you coulda just saved some time and asked.

also, if all the rangers are willing to offer is mdz as the main piece coming back, that's fine. but no deal
- hugefemale dog77

i didn't realize you had any say in what the oilers actually did outside of coming up with fake trades or line combinations that your GM or coach will never use.

and if he doesn't get traded, which i don't think he will, that means that your GM overvalues him. if he had a similar value in mind that another GM did that offered him a deal, a deal would be struck. again, a player's value is only what another team is willing to pay. just like any commodity like a water bottle or a cell phone or a car determines its value...by what another person is willing to buy.

if there's a bottle of water on sale for $100, then is that the value, just because that's its price tag? or is it the $2 offer a person gave?

I saw that too.

friedman, Mackenzie, dreger, brooks etc???
it was your post, not mine. you dropped those names.

burden of proof is on you to prove they said it. not me to disprove it..
- hugefemale dog77

you said link any of those guys. i linked one of them.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Edmonton+Oilers+York+Rangers+Chris/9129214/story.html

"The Oilers have long liked the Rangers’ offensive defenceman Michael Del Zotto, too."
- rangerdanger94

Burn!

I'll believe this when I see an E4 or E5 which stands for "already reported by the MSM 2 hours ago"

i didn't realize you had any say in what the oilers actually did outside of coming up with fake trades or line combinations that your GM or coach will never use.

and if he doesn't get traded, which i don't think he will, that means that your GM overvalues him. if he had a similar value in mind that another GM did that offered him a deal, a deal would be struck. again, a player's value is only what another team is willing to pay. just like any commodity like a water bottle or a cell phone or a car determines its value...by what another person is willing to buy.

if there's a bottle of water on sale for $100, then is that the value, just because that's its price tag? or is it the $2 offer a person gave?
- rangerdanger94

wait a minute;
so if he doesn't get traded it's because they overvalued him and certainly not because they never wanted to in the first place??
would you like a link provided where coaching and gms say they are absolutely NOT trading yakupov??

do you actually believe everything these supposed insiders say?? you understand how it all works and the big business of rumours right??

but not everyone is willing to pay the same thing. just because one person is willing to pay 2$, doesn't mean someone else isn't willing to pay $4.
and why do we also assume they only got ONE offer as opposed to lots?
and how do we even know what that offer was?
please don't say because "writer b" said it

you said link any of those guys. i linked one of them.
- rangerdanger94

who?

that's none of Mackenzie, or brooks, or friedman or dreger

you dropped THOSE names trying to back your point up.
so I said prove those guys said it. and you havent

I hear ya...But seems to me EK has actually stopped the deception thing recently...

I actually like the site..The only problem i have at this point is Garth...Kinda find it puzzling why EK would have that guy given the # of good writers that are here..Cant help but wonder how they feel about him...
- Fruitcakenipple

I applaud Sabres fans for finally giving Freiheit their "business". It's one thing to have poopty grammar, but Garth's refusal to use a spell checker can only be a reflection of his mental capacity or his disregard for his readers.

who?

that's none of Mackenzie, or brooks, or friedman or dreger

you dropped THOSE names trying to back your point up.
so I said prove those guys said it. and you havent
- hugefemale dog77

You also said this

"here's one from the Edmonton journal. you know the paper/writers from Edmonton that is as close to the team as any writer."

And then he posted a story that said they were interested in MDZ.

Just saying

wait a minute;
so if he doesn't get traded it's because they overvalued him and certainly not because they never wanted to in the first place??
would you like a link provided where coaching and gms say they are absolutely NOT trading yakupov??

do you actually believe everything these supposed insiders say?? you understand how it all works and the big business of rumours right??

but not everyone is willing to pay the same thing. just because one person is willing to pay 2$, doesn't mean someone else isn't willing to pay $4.
and why do we also assume they only got ONE offer as opposed to lots?
- hugefemale dog77

if he doesn't get moved and he actually is being shopped, it's because they didn't receive an offer that they thought was fair. whether he's being legitimately shopped or not is tough to know, but there has to be a hint of truth to the crazy number of rumors coming from even the most reliable insiders.

i can provide you the link where eakins said yakupov isn't being traded. i can then provide you with a link where holmgren said he's not buying out bryz to his agent, and then buys him out the next day. or more recently, where kypreos said that nash has started skating and the rangers officially denied it only to announce 2 days later that nash has been skating for a few days. here's the difference between beat writers and actual insiders: beat writers make stories out of what the team officially releases, and insiders tell people what they hear behind the scenes. these beat writers aren't friends with former players and current NHL front office executives ranging from scouts to coaches to assistant and head GMs like the insiders are. guys like dreger, mckenzie, kypreos, etc. hear the things going on behind the scenes.

edit: in regards to your last paragraph, if there's someone willing to pay $4 then that's the value. but what i'm saying is that people might only be willing to pay the $2 for yakupov instead of the $4. and the rangers might be the ONLY team to submit an offer because dreger said that the rangers are one of the only 2 or 3 teams -- if not the ONLY team in the entire league -- even considering to trade for yakupov with the baggage he carries.

who?

that's none of Mackenzie, or brooks, or friedman or dreger

you dropped THOSE names trying to back your point up.
so I said prove those guys said it. and you havent
- hugefemale dog77

you said "link to any of those guys". any of those guys means link at least 1 of those guys. i linked at least 1. sorry, but i don't care enough and this isn't an actual court case where i'm going to go all out with that burden of proof crap.

You also said this

"here's one from the Edmonton journal. you know the paper/writers from Edmonton that is as close to the team as any writer."

And then he posted a story that said they were interested in MDZ.

Just saying
- Cheeseballin

that still doesn't change at all that he has in no way proven the names he originally dropped have said such things.

as I said, the burden of proof is on him, if he wants to use those "reputable' names. then he better be able to back it up. or he made it up and hoped I didn't call him on it.
but I am

you said "link to any of those guys". any of those guys means link at least 1 of those guys. i linked at least 1. sorry, but i don't care enough and this isn't an actual court case where i'm going to go all out with that burden of proof crap.
- rangerdanger94

burden of proof crap??

you made the claim. back it up

burden of proof crap??

you made the claim. back it up
- hugefemale dog77

let's not flip this on me. i made a claim, then you called me out and dared me to prove just 1 of the names that i claimed said something, and then i did, and now you're saying that you want me to prove the other 3 or 4 names. that's what going on. admit it.

if he doesn't get moved and he actually is being shopped, it's because they didn't receive an offer that they thought was fair. whether he's being legitimately shopped or not is tough to know, but there has to be a hint of truth to the crazy number of rumors coming from even the most reliable insiders.

i can provide you the link where eakins said yakupov isn't being traded. i can then provide you with a link where holmgren said he's not buying out bryz to his agent, and then buys him out the next day. or more recently, where kypreos said that nash has started skating and the rangers officially denied it only to announce 2 days later that nash has been skating for a few days. here's the difference between beat writers and actual insiders: beat writers make stories out of what the team officially releases, and insiders tell people what they hear behind the scenes. these beat writers aren't friends with former players and current NHL front office executives ranging from scouts to coaches to assistant and head GMs like the insiders are. guys like dreger, mckenzie, kypreos, etc. hear the things going on behind the scenes.
- rangerdanger94

bolded. bottom line.
you don't know one way or another. but uve still made a bunch of definitive statements.

ima choose to believe what the guys that are part of the organization say. you can choose the guys who make a living through trade rumours.

more often than not, there isn't a SHRED of truth to these rumours. that's why 99% of them don't happen

that still doesn't change at all that he has in no way proven the names he originally dropped have said such things.

as I said, the burden of proof is on him, if he wants to use those "reputable' names. then he better be able to back it up. or he made it up and hoped I didn't call him on it.
but I am
- hugefemale dog77

Dreger recenetly on TSN said that at least 5 teams have inquired about MDZ, This was later backed up by LeBrun. I would think EDM would at least inquire about him they would be stupid not to. Sounds like Ottawa is really interested in him though.

bolded. bottom line.
you don't know one way or another. but uve still made a bunch of definitive statements.

ima choose to believe what the guys that are part of the organization say. you can choose the guys who make a living through trade rumours.

more often than not, there isn't a SHRED of truth to these rumours. that's why 99% of them don't happen
- hugefemale dog77

you're trying to tell me i make fake definitive statements? you're the one adamantly rejecting fake trade proposals on behalf of that entire Oilers organization

as for not being a shred of truth, here's dreger saying that opposite about the MDZ to oilers rumor:
On TSN Drive, Dreger said “there [has] to be a hint of it that is accurate and if you can acquire Michael Del Zotto as part of a package you need to consider it."

let's not flip this on me. i made a claim, then you called me out and dared me to prove just 1 of the names that i claimed said something, and then i did, and now you're saying that you want me to prove the other 3 or 4 names. that's what going on. admit it.
- rangerdanger94

whaat?? you dropped a bunch of the most reputable names in the sport and I said prove that ONE of them said it.
and you haven't.

you dropped the beat writer of the oilers blog that I gave you the link to saying the opposite a week later.

what are you talking about?

whaat?? you dropped a bunch of the most reputable names in the sport and I said prove that ONE of them said it.
and you haven't.

you dropped the beat writer of the oilers blog that I gave you the link to saying the opposite a week later.

what are you talking about?
- hugefemale dog77

what are YOU talking about? you literally quoted my post that included matheson's name and said prove that one of these guys said anything, and i proved that matheson said something.

you even argued in favor of the credibility that comes from the beat writers as the ones from the Edmonton Journal "is as close to the team as any writer."

and now you're saying that the beat writer i quoted isn't reliable or that he wasn't one of the names you quoted when you dared me to "prove" something?

you're trying to tell me i make fake definitive statements? you're the one adamantly rejecting fake trade proposals on behalf of that entire Oilers organization

as for not being a shred of truth, here's dreger saying that opposite about the MDZ to oilers rumor:
On TSN Drive, Dreger said “there
- rangerdanger94[has] to be a hint of it that is accurate and if you can acquire Michael Del Zotto as part of a package you need to consider it."

you said the oilers definitely want mdz. this is exactly what you said.
I disagreed.

link to dreger saying the oilers want mdz please. not your verbatim, and not even his opinion on what said team should do.

again, a link to dreger saying the oilers are chasing mdz.

and especially a link sayin the oilers are willing to deal yaks for mdz!!!!!

you said the oilers definitely want mdz. this is exactly what you said.
I disagreed.

link to dreger saying the oilers want mdz please. not your verbatim, and not even his opinion on what said team should do.

again, a link to dreger (or any one of those names YOU dropped) saying the oilers are chasing mdz.
and especially a link sayin the oilers are willing to deal yaks for mdz!!!!!
- hugefemale dog77

names I dropped:

and dreger, and friedman, and mckenzie, and brooks, and mathetson.
- rangerdanger94

notice the bold.

the same guy in bold, i proved said what i said he said here:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Edmonton+Oilers+York+Rangers+Chris/9129214/story.html

"The Oilers have long liked the Rangers’ offensive defenceman Michael Del Zotto, too."
- rangerdanger94

Matheson!!!

you spelled it wrong, so I originally thought you were talking about someone else or just a random!!! either way, it didnt sink in.

damnit!!

anyway, yaks aint getting traded for mdz.

Matheson!!!

you spelled it wrong, so I originally thought you were talking about someone else!!!

damnit!!

anyway, yaks aint getting traded for mdz.
- hugefemale dog77

- rangerdanger94

im feeling a little foolish

and dreger, and friedman, and mckenzie, and brooks, and mathetson.
- rangerdanger94

Not one of those knows more than you or I. If you read or listen to what they say....they "speculate" that since MDZ is available that he is the guy people are looking at. Oiler management are not interested in MDZ. He would not be even close to our best defensemen. I recall a whole lot of people on here saying Terence would instantly be our best defenseman. Not the case. I don't know why I bother discussing stupid poop like this. People need to learn some common sense.