here's where I think you may be over stating their 'control' or management.

if this is all true and clear, why would a team like Philly be able to offer sheet Shea Webber like they did? ended up costing Nashville huge dollars - and they clearly are supported by the league financial heavyweights.

or am I missing something?
- BorjeFan4Ever

nashville stood to lose more money by losing a draw name than the salary they paid him.

those kinds of decisions are made based on the bottom line.

wouldn't it be useful to put a guy like Lindros in that spot?

he had his career cut short by the concussions. he played for some of the leagues most financially preferred clubs, but probably doesn't have much love for them.

I would think that Shanahan's role should be shared between three people, ideally all with different playing histories and club affiliations - so as to allow for a bit more of an appearance of non-favoritism.
- BorjeFan4Ever

shanny is nothing more than a puppet of the NHL brass and NHL owners.

he does exactly what he's told to do.

fair enough, but how else do you explain away the obvious bias?

its not just occasional either.. if the team is a team that doesnt have a large portion of their market share or is financially tight.. their players rarely see suspensions. for teams who have the majority of their market share and make huge amounts of money see a ton of them.

shanny is no fool... but the inconsistency of suspensions during his tenure and before his tenure can only mean one thing. league and ownership interference because certain bans to certain players on certain teams hurt the bottom line.
- Dozzer

Exactly. It would be nice to know what the reasoning for it is and I agree that Shanahan more than likely has his strings pulled frequently.

I think as likely as it is to be financial reasons, it could also be just straight politics among the owners and the league.

I'm probably late with this, but I would guess the reason Francis was at the Ricoh was because, well, the Canes AHL team was playing. Probably had nothing to do with Liles lol
- mykokes

that is simply not complicated enough... and think of Ek's headline without the Liles intrigue....

"Francis attends AHL game to scout his own team"

not manyhits

nashville stood to lose more money by losing a draw name than the salary they paid him.

those kinds of decisions are made based on the bottom line.
- Dozzer

See, you can have a discussion with varying opinions without fighting. It is a good dialogue with the guys here this morning.

shanny is nothing more than a puppet of the NHL brass and NHL owners.

he does exactly what he's told to do.
- Dozzer

c'mon, do you really think they tell Shanny to "stand like a wooden doll" and speak like 'a robot"?

Exactly. It would be nice to know what the reasoning for it is and I agree that Shanahan more than likely has his strings pulled frequently.

I think as likely as it is to be financial reasons, it could also be just straight politics among the owners and the league.
- markmark

yup, i think its safe to say its not just about hockey.

but in pro sports, that comes with the territory

See, you can have a discussion with varying opinions without fighting. It is a good dialogue with the guys here this morning.
- LeafMan

I hate you guys... and I'm going to start calling names VERY soon.

See, you can have a discussion with varying opinions without fighting. It is a good dialogue with the guys here this morning.
- LeafMan

agree 100% LM

we dont see eye to eye on it and thats okay.. just because we all dont agree on something means the name calling should be brought out.

i'm rather enjoying this.

c'mon, do you really think they tell Shanny to "stand like a wooden doll" and speak like 'a robot"?
- BorjeFan4Ever

i'm pictuing more of a ventriloquist puppet.... for obvious reasons

nashville stood to lose more money by losing a draw name than the salary they paid him.

those kinds of decisions are made based on the bottom line.
- Dozzer

I get that, but Philly and league ownership would know this going in.... and they must have also known that Nashville "had to" match....

which is why I'm curious as to how it happened...

I think that there are owners who are more privileged than others... "more equal" and it doesn't have to do with revenue, because clearly the Leafs would have more pull if that was true...

well.. i honestly dont believe suspensions are handed out based on what happens on the ice alone.

if kadri played for the panthers for instance.. he would of been fined but not suspended. tho since he plays for the leafs there is no concern about draw power.

its not fair, but its the truth.

if you are garnering the front page of your local sports section you are not a concern of the NHL.

this is why teams like boston get left alone.. their competition for the sports fan market share is too steep. cant afford to lose the drawing names. period.
- Dozzer

IMO he gets suspended due to how he threw himself after he hit the goalie. It looks like he hits the goalie and then finished him off with the arms. I don't think because a player plays for T.O. he gets extra - again not wanting to argue, just my opinion.

agree 100% LM

we dont see eye to eye on it and thats okay.. just because we all dont agree on something means the name calling should be brought out.

i'm rather enjoying this.
- Dozzer

I can't remember too many times that everyone is contributing an opinion and it varies from one to the other respectfully, just awesome.

Thanks guys, very enjoyable

agree 100% LM

we dont see eye to eye on it and thats okay.. just because we all dont agree on something means the name calling should be brought out.

i'm rather enjoying this.
- Dozzer

Clarkson signing was stupid
Bozak sucks
Leafs should never have drafted Schenn
Jiri Tlusty for Hart
Scrivens for Vezina
Fire Nonis

oh yeah... and Phaneuf's a pansy


i think that just about covers it.

He only received two games AND was a repeat offender.
- markmark

a little different I believe, Kadri throwing himself after the hit is what got him the extra game or 2

The best - some worth in the $1000's
- BingoLady

Well that sucks, I only got 100's

IMO he gets suspended due to how he threw himself after he hit the goalie. It looks like he hits the goalie and then finished him off with the arms. I don't think because a player plays for T.O. he gets extra - again not wanting to argue, just my opinion.
- Garnie

from my perspective he should have been suspended, no question.... I was more debating the length/duration.... based on the Tootoo suspension and it being a first time deal for Kadri.

I know the goalie got hurt, but the collision wasn't particularly violent (my opinion)...

Clarkson signing was stupid
Bozak sucks
Leafs should never have drafted Schenn
Jiri Tlusty for Hart
Scrivens for Vezina
Fire Nonis

oh yeah... and Phaneuf's a princess


i think that just about covers it.
- BorjeFan4Ever

(frank) you got it all wrong, it has now been *fixed*

from my perspective he should have been suspended, no question.... I was more debating the length/duration.... based on the Tootoo suspension and it being a first time deal for Kadri.

I know the goalie got hurt, but the collision wasn't particularly violent (my opinion)...
- BorjeFan4Ever

It looked bad and Kadri's hit in the 3rd ( I know it shouldn't have anything to do with it) doesn't help him much. Kadri is well known for hitting guys in vulnerable positions, and I don't blame him as he's only about 170lbs

IMO he gets suspended due to how he threw himself after he hit the goalie. It looks like he hits the goalie and then finished him off with the arms. I don't think because a player plays for T.O. he gets extra - again not wanting to argue, just my opinion.
- Garnie

so you think its a fair suspension for the second effort on the hit?

thats reasonable..

i just hate seeing like plays league wide without the same outcome.

bear in mind.. just because i am arguing the point i am means i like it or support it.

I can't remember too many times that everyone is contributing an opinion and it varies from one to the other respectfully, just awesome.

Thanks guys, very enjoyable
- LeafMan

how many contributors from other team's fanbases in here today?

hint
hint

I can't remember too many times that everyone is contributing an opinion and it varies from one to the other respectfully, just awesome.

Thanks guys, very enjoyable
- LeafMan

and my thanks as well.

See, you can have a discussion with varying opinions without fighting. It is a good dialogue with the guys here this morning.
- LeafMan

you tell him
it's about time he acted civil

so you think its a fair suspension for the second effort on the hit?

thats reasonable..

i just hate seeing like plays league wide without the same outcome.

bear in mind.. just because i am arguing the point i am means i like it or support it.
- Dozzer

2 or 3 games, yes - he knew the goalie was there....he isn't going to tell anybody that

Plus he plays with an edge and I would say this isn't the 1st time he's been reviewed for a hit

so you think its a fair suspension for the second effort on the hit?

thats reasonable..

i just hate seeing like plays league wide without the same outcome.

bear in mind.. just because i am arguing the point i am means i like it or support it.
- Dozzer

interesting comparison - take a look at the MacArthur suspension from the 11/12 season I believe... and the Seidenberg 'elbow' on Ryan, then contrast those with Scott's incidental elbow to the head of Ranger in the recent game.