Ah, crumb.

Well, on the plus side I think the Wings played a relatively solid game tonight. I thought the Red Wings were the better team tonight and against Dallas, and they nearly stole one against Tampa. But for a few bounces they could be on a 3-game winning streak instead of a 3-game losing streak.

But everyone on the team not named Datsyuk or Zetterberg needs to be better. Particularly Howard, who has had a couple of rough outings recently, tonight included.
- Sven22

I have zero faith in Howard to make the "clutch" save as a 5+mil dollar goalie. #13 and 40 are the only reason this team is where it is. They need a deal or closed door meeting, sans those two to kick their ass in gear.

These will be valuable pts they leave on the table, mark my words.

You always have intelligent comments and for that I thank you...I'm tired of these negative comments (cough Jurco_28) .. You would think were in the basement...pretty sure we're in the playoffs last time I checked with 60 games to go...anyways I agree it's too early to judge Weiss but I have seen things I like and have noticed his good play off the puck lead to goals (ie driving the net etc.) and he's not getting the bounces to get on the stat sheet... Although there comes a time where that's not enough but I think the system is a lot different than Florida and he is adjusting slower than we would like...

Ideally I know everyone says screw Sammy and cleary which I agree but when you sign a player it's still a business...and gms don't like putting a 3million dollar investment ride the pine .. I don't like doing lines cause what I think means nothing and I'm certain holland knows better than all us complaining on here from their couch but here's what I'd do....

z - Pav - Bert
Mule - Weiss - alfie
Tatar - helm - nyquist
Anyone - Andy - anyone

Regardless of what anyone says before this season...so far ... Mule has put up reasonable pts for what he gets paid.. But I agree it's frustrating that he is streaky and we all know he can do more but I doubt he has much trade value. The fourth line I don't know really it doesn't matter whoever wants to bust their ass whether it be eaves miller Sammy ... These lines I know don't consider cap compliance and what not just assuming they figured that out this is what I'd do...
- HomestyleMelt

As Babcock often says, their business is a business of winning. That means you put the players on the ice that give you the best chance of winning every game...Wings are not doing that. Took a bunch of games for Tatar to even get a chance to play and Nyquist is still in the AHL. Starving for goals from other lines and they call up Glendening? I don't hate him at all and I know he plays center but when you need offense, you would think they would call up people who can actually score some goals. They can't call up Nyquist (we all know that) but what about Jurco or even Pulkkinen who have been hot in the AHL and give them a try for a game or two.

Annoys me that in overtime Babcock never uses Tatar at all but Miller who has 2 points and a -9 sees the ice. Tatar plays well and creates offensive chances with his speed but 4 on 4 doesn't see the ice when he would have more room to create chances.

As Babcock often says, their business is a business of winning. That means you put the players on the ice that give you the best chance of winning every game...Wings are not doing that. Took a bunch of games for Tatar to even get a chance to play and Nyquist is still in the AHL. Starving for goals from other lines and they call up Glendening? I don't hate him at all and I know he plays center but when you need offense, you would think they would call up people who can actually score some goals. They can't call up Nyquist (we all know that) but what about Jurco or even Pulkkinen who have been hot in the AHL and give them a try for a game or two.

Annoys me that in overtime Babcock never uses Tatar at all but Miller who has 2 points and a -9 sees the ice. Tatar plays well and creates offensive chances with his speed but 4 on 4 doesn't see the ice when he would have more room to create chances.
- dcz28

Tatar definitely hasn't seen much ice late in games, but a game a few days ago (can't remember who they were playing) he was out there with about 5 minutes left in a tie game and tried a couple different times to go himself out of the zone instead of making a safe play. Gotta feel that he wants to do too much at this point because he never gets out there, but he's not doing himself any favours with that kind of play either.

Tatar definitely hasn't seen much ice late in games, but a game a few days ago (can't remember who they were playing) he was out there with about 5 minutes left in a tie game and tried a couple different times to go himself out of the zone instead of making a safe play. Gotta feel that he wants to do too much at this point because he never gets out there, but he's not doing himself any favours with that kind of play either.
- tmanv

Maybe but like players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Alfredsson, he's a skilled player that likes to hold onto the puck and make plays. All those players make mistakes like that from time to time and the rest don't get punished by not seeing the ice in overtime because of it. What the hell does Babcock expect Miller to do in overtime? He's not scoring and not solid defensively this season. Tatar can't do much worst...at least he's a plus on the season compared to most not on the top line being minuses. To me he has the type of skills that could help win a game in overtime.

man who would of thought a team full of grinders would be failing to score goals.