I didn't even read this post prior to writing mine, but somehow I knew someone or many would question the 4th line in a game that had nothing to do with a 4th line. They went out there and played physical while eating some mins. The veteran players paid well lack the needed focus at certain points of the game is the issue this team sucks.
- flyers2001

They didn't eat minutes. They played about 5 minutes all game. Talbot played more, because he's on the PK. They were utterly ineffective.

In fact, on one of the awful turnovers, Jay Rosehill blew the coverage on Andrew Cogliano, and he scored the Ducks first goal.

So, yeah, the 4th line had something to do with the loss.

I think it is distrurbing that 22.7M (~1/3) of our Cap space does not have a goal...and I only counted players that have played at least 7 games...Mezy would bump that up another 4M...not sure any other team has had that low production from that large of a Cap hit.

Harnell doesn't have a point and people are begging to have him back on the top line...not sure the thinking there...McGinn should be there is anyone replaces Raffl...

They didn't eat minutes. They played about 5 minutes all game. Talbot played more, because he's on the PK. They were utterly ineffective.

In fact, on one of the awful turnovers, Jay Rosehill blew the coverage on Andrew Cogliano, and he scored the Ducks first goal.

So, yeah, the 4th line had something to do with the loss.
- Jsaquella

Really because it was Grossman who could not make a simple play, one that any peewee hockey player should be able to make. Grossman turned it over which led to the goal.

Watch the actual game instead of seeing what you want.

I think it is distrurbing that 22.7M (~1/3) of our Cap space does not have a goal...and I only counted players that have played at least 7 games...Mezy would bump that up another 4M...not sure any other team has had that low production from that large of a Cap hit.

Harnell doesn't have a point and people are begging to have him back on the top line...not sure the thinking there...McGinn should be there is anyone replaces Raffl...
- JW98FlyerFan

I'm suggesting it as an attempt to light a fire and get him and/or Giroux going offensively.

I'm not even gonna bothering reading the most recent 2 pages. From what I have read, you'd think the Flyers got beat 18-1 ad generated 2 shots all game, have no player capable of being on an NHL roster, the entire team stinks, and we should trade everyone for J-Bo.

They had a HORRIBLE 3rd period. Yet they played a fantastic 25-35 minutes against one of the better teams in the league. Moral victories aren't worth squat, and they definitely have a lot of things to clean up. I was pissed at the outcome last night, but they at least proved that they can hang with the big boys.
- jmatchett383

Shocking the negativity surrounding a 3-8 team that can't score.
Some people are never satisfied.

The Flyers team defense is not an issue with this team. Are you seriously going to tell me that they way that Giroux has played this Season is not as big of a problem as the so called unplayable 4th line? This team's biggest issue is that they don't score enough goals. And Giroux is the poster boy, and should be on the milk carton. But hey, let's blame Jay Rosehill instead.
- MJL

i doubt anyone is saying that the issues are only the 4th line. i think the argument is that since the 4th line is so utterly useless and can't be counted on for anything (compared to say detroit's 4th line most years that could actually shut down other teams, provide energy and score) the load falls up onto the the other players and the load is unevenly distributed, which contributes to the team's myriad issues

Claude Giroux is overrated! I said it.... and guess what? That has nothing to do with Rosehill and Rinaldo.
- flyers2001

OK, then. Claude Giroux's overrated. He can't give us the offense we need.

Then we have two options: Either play Rosehill and Rinaldo more -- because clearly, they're undervalued and Claude Giroux's just sucking their minutes up unfairly, or the Flyers should get him some more help.

Isn't that what should happen?

I think it may be time to shake things up. I'm not talking unloading a Schenn or Couturier but one of Hartnell and Simmonds could go. I love Grossmann but he's probably the most easily moved at this point and Gus needs to play. I think they are learning the Timonen resigning was a bad idea. I wonder if they would have done that if they knew Streit was going to be available.

Shocking the negativity surrounding a 3-8 team that can't score.
Some people are never satisfied.
- PLindbergh31

now help me clean up the coffee i just spit all over myself

Tired of dumb hockey, tired of the low percentage cross ice passes, tired of the turnovers at both blue lines, tired of power forwards thinking they're playmakers, tired of the defense consistently retreating back when they should be breaking out or reversing the puck to their partner 15x before the forwards comeback to truely breakout of the zone.

Coaches and Pudits say that the team's performance is unacceptable, but what's really unacceptable is there's no acccountability. No accountability means it is acceptable.

Hold ppl accountable from Giroux to Derek Settlemeyer.

Its nice to see this Philly team, falling on there face..

- nascarguy

Anyone want to take this one?


edit:leight

OK, then. Claude Giroux's overrated. He can't give us the offense we need.

Then we have two options: Either play Rosehill and Rinaldo more -- because clearly, they're undervalued and Claude Giroux's just sucking their minutes up unfairly, or the Flyers should get him some more help.

Isn't that what should happen?
- AllInForFlyers

No, that's clearly not my point, but a rehash I would expect from a 12 year old.

Yes, they should get him more help which I think they did by putting Vinny on the line. I can do without Raffl as a better finisher would be a better option. In the end elite players step their game up.

Shocking the negativity surrounding a 3-8 team that can't score.
Some people are never satisfied.
- PLindbergh31

I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. But if you take the team that played last night compared to the team from the Montreal or Carolina game, it's a world of difference in a positive way.

Like I said, was the 3rd period a trainwreck? Absolutely. But let's pay no attention to how they dominated a top team for more than half a game and just rail away on every player on the team minus Mason.

I'm suggesting it as an attempt to light a fire and get him and/or Giroux going offensively.
- Jsaquella

I understand where you're coming from, but to me that sends the wrong message to the rest of the team.

I'm suggesting it as an attempt to light a fire and get him and/or Giroux going offensively.
- Jsaquella

Maybe...but I counter that McGinn at least got the puck in the back of the net, and at 4.75M per year, well lets just say that contract is going to haunt us...

blow the poop up already.....

Giroux to Nashville for Jones, Forsberg, a first

Everyone else for picks/prospects. Just (frank)ing do it i dont want to suffer through a decade of this crap.

Really because it was Grossman who could not make a simple play, one that any peewee hockey player should be able to make. Grossman turned it over which led to the goal.

Watch the actual game instead of seeing what you want.
- flyers2001

Grossmann made the bad pass to start the play, for sure. No argument on that.

However, if you watch the play afterward, Getzlaff heads down the left wing side. Rosehill is in the high slot and drifts down towards the net towards Winnick, who is already marked by the defenseman. Cogliano was Rosehill's coverage, and he streaked in all alone to bury the carom off the end boards, because Rosehill blew that coverage.

http://video.flyers.nhl.c...nter/?id=2013020177-503-h

I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. But if you take the team that played last night compared to the team from the Montreal or Carolina game, it's a world of difference in a positive way.

Like I said, was the 3rd period a trainwreck? Absolutely. But let's pay no attention to how they dominated a top team for more than half a game and just rail away on every player on the team minus Mason.
- jmatchett383

The pessimist may say that the 3rd period was the real Ducks team showing up and beating down an inferior opponent. It's always hard to pinpoint why 1 team is outplaying the other. Is one team taking the game or is one team giving it away? I don't think the Flyers gave the game away with a bad third period as much as the Ducks cranked up their game to a level the Flyers don't currently have and took it away.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset. But if you take the team that played last night compared to the team from the Montreal or Carolina game, it's a world of difference in a positive way.

Like I said, was the 3rd period a trainwreck? Absolutely. But let's pay no attention to how they dominated a top team for more than half a game and just rail away on every player on the team minus Mason.
- jmatchett383

Meh... Hockey is like poker. At the end of the night you count your money. That's how you keep score.

I understand where you're coming from, but to me that sends the wrong message to the rest of the team.
- flyguy12

And continuing to dress guys like Rosehill and Rinaldo after they have bad penalties and scratching Meszaros for 5 for doing the same thing doesn't send the wrong message?

They need to get offense out of Hartnell. If he's not scoring, he's a 4th line albatross on the cap

No, that's clearly not my point, but a rehash I would expect from a 12 year old.

Yes, they should get him more help which I think they did by putting Vinny on the line. I can do without Raffl as a better finisher would be a better option. In the end elite players step their game up.
- flyers2001

I'm going to just skip past this one because personal attacks aren't tolerated on the boards.

Maybe...but I counter that McGinn at least got the puck in the back of the net, and at 4.75M per year, well lets just say that contract is going to haunt us...
- JW98FlyerFan

He did, and he should be on the roster...but the Flyers need to find a way to avoid the Hartnell deal from haunting them, and burying him on the 3rd or 4th line isn;t going to do that

We need a real fourth line. Not to say that's why they lost the game, but this enforcer crap isn't helping.
- BulliesPhan87

You have been told that Rosehill isn't an issue. Get lost with this nonsense.

The pessimist may say that the 3rd period was the real Ducks team showing up and beating down an inferior opponent. It's always hard to pinpoint why 1 team is outplaying the other. Is one team taking the game or is one team giving it away? I don't think the Flyers gave the game away with a bad third period as much as the Ducks cranked up their game to a level the Flyers don't currently have and took it away.
- eayost

If that's the case (the Ducks took it away), then it has nothing to do with the players as they just got beat by a better team, and that happens in sports. I don't think the Flyers (right now) are a Cup contender, but I think they're also better than their record currently indicates. But that doesn't mean they'd be able to beat Pittsburgh/Boston/etc. in a best-of-seven series.

can't knock the captain....0 goals in 11 games and playing a perimeter game. whats to knock!!!!! How did McGinn score???? he went to the net.....Giroux, Simmonds should be paying attention
- landros 2

Last week, I called Simmonds' play a hyper-kinetic mess. He's all over the offense zone, trying to make things happen but often either taking himself out of position or getting in too close to a linemate. When he does get to the net, he's often in too close (rebounds go right past him) or it takes him to long to corral the puck and try to transfer it to shooting position, giving the goalie a chance to recover.

Giroux had been making progress in terms of finding shooting lanes and had a stretch where he hit a bunch of posts. I was OK with that, though the results needed to come sooner. Well, last night he was back to the perimeter again after the first period. At least he's gotten assists in five of the last six games, and many of those have been great setups. Still needs to generate more consistently productive shifts than he has.