And when it turns out he was wrong...we pat him on the back and say, "It's OK Champ, we'll get 'em next time"?
- Jsaquella

Can you point out that he was wrong in making the JVR-Schenn deal? I'd say no at this point.

*THROWS CHAIR*
- Crimsoninja

MIKE BROWN BRINGS YOU DOWN

Dodged the question.
- MJL

If they weren't so busy pissing all their present and future cap dollars willy nilly, maybe they wouldn't run into impediments like tagging space when they're talking about locking up important pieces.

Shelley ($1.1M) + Walker ($1.7M), Lilja ($725K)... add them all together and get a pretty significant chunk of change tied up in essentially useless players (~$3.5M)... maybe just enough to get Matt Carle signed to a reasonable contract well in advance of UFA/Wideman.

MIKE BROWN BRINGS YOU DOWN
- 2Real

I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS

Can you point out that he was wrong in making the JVR-Schenn deal? I'd say no at this point.
- MJL

He traded a very valuable asset in a trade that failed to address the team's biggest need when it was made, and 18 months later, that need is still the team's biggest weakness.

Considering that the player traded away has outperformed the player acquired from pretty much day one, and that the player acquired has regressed after a solid first season, then it's a questionable deal on two levels.

If you trade the most valuable asset you're willing to part with and fail to address your team's biggest need and that asset outperforms the one you acquired for him, then it's the wrong deal.

I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS
- Crimsoninja

sharks newly acquired enforcer

sharks new enforcer newly acquired
- 2Real

i see. thank you.

i see. thank you.



- Crimsoninja

4th round pick "dumped" for him too

If they weren't so busy pissing all their present and future cap dollars willy nilly, maybe they wouldn't run into impediments like tagging space when they're talking about locking up important pieces.

Shelley ($1.1M) + Walker ($1.7M), Lilja ($725K)... add them all together and get a pretty significant chunk of change tied up in essentially useless players (~$3.5M)... maybe just enough to get Matt Carle signed to a reasonable contract well in advance of UFA/Wideman.
- Tomahawk

And again, it's a mistake that keeps getting repeated.

It's not that Holmgren is an awful GM. He's actually pretty solid for the most part. He's made several good moves, and I think that some of the more questionable ones came from pressure from above.

But he does have issues in that he's reactive more than pro-active.

And again, it's a mistake that keeps getting repeated.

It's not that Holmgren is an awful GM. He's actually pretty solid for the most part. He's made several good moves, and I think that some of the more questionable ones came from pressure from above.

But he does have issues in that he's reactive more than pro-active.
- Jsaquella

All disasters are born from a series small failings -- a little careless CBA miscue here, a slight over-payment there, a extra year on a contract there... before you know it, you've got a lottery team.

If they weren't so busy pissing all their present and future cap dollars willy nilly, maybe they wouldn't run into impediments like tagging space when they're talking about locking up important pieces.

Shelley ($1.1M) + Walker ($1.7M), Lilja ($725K)... add them all together and get a pretty significant chunk of change tied up in essentially useless players (~$3.5M)... maybe just enough to get Matt Carle signed to a reasonable contract well in advance of UFA/Wideman.
- Tomahawk

Hopefully he learned his lesson. Only baggage next year is Rosehill. Clean slate.

All disasters are born from a series small failings -- a little careless CBA miscue here, a slight over-payment there, a extra year on a contract there... before you know it, you've got a lottery team.
- Tomahawk

I'm just worried that we'll see some sort of deal to address the short term and overpay to do it.

Hopefully he learned his lesson. Only baggage next year is Rosehill. Clean slate.
- jstross

Hartnell could be, if he doesn't rebound

I'm just worried that we'll see some sort of deal to address the short term and overpay to do it.
- Jsaquella

It's all but inevitable.

Hartnell could be, if he doesn't rebound
- Jsaquella

Not a Hartnell fan, never have been. He's another "top line player" that needs to get his act together.

Not a Hartnell fan, never have been. He's another "top line player" that needs to get his act together.
- jstross

in his last 39 games, he's totaled 11 points

He traded a very valuable asset in a trade that failed to address the team's biggest need when it was made, and 18 months later, that need is still the team's biggest weakness.

Considering that the player traded away has outperformed the player acquired from pretty much day one, and that the player acquired has regressed after a solid first season, then it's a questionable deal on two levels.

If you trade the most valuable asset you're willing to part with and fail to address your team's biggest need and that asset outperforms the one you acquired for him, then it's the wrong deal.
- Jsaquella

IIRC, the question on deal day was not only about the value received in the trade, but why they acquired a skill set they had in some abundance while they clearly needed a puck mover they could move forward with. failing that, they were now stripped of the assets necessary to make such a trade, so they went to the craps table for weber and came up snake eyes....still no puck mover to match the career arc of the younger talent we have-Homer Fail.

you've been on point all nite.

It's all but inevitable.
- Tomahawk

I'd just like to see them place a premium on smarts..

All disasters are born from a series small failings -- a little careless CBA miscue here, a slight over-payment there, a extra year on a contract there... before you know it, you've got a lottery team.
- Tomahawk

and you're chasing to recover from your last wrong move by making another- whack-a-mole...

I'm just worried that we'll see some sort of deal to address the short term and overpay to do it.
- Jsaquella

You know what? I don't think we're getting a trade...not right now. I think they would like to do one, but I just don't think they are going to find one that makes sense right now. They won't address the true need of need of this team, the speed and mobility of this team, until some of these players establish their value, for better or worse.

This season...man. This time next year, every single thing could be different. Homer out, plan changed, players moved. But I don't think they will find anything that makes sense for what they need during the season.

IIRC, the question on deal day was not only about the value received in the trade, but why they acquired a skill set they had in some abundance while they clearly needed a puck mover they could move forward with. failing that, they were now stripped of the assets necessary to make such a trade, so they went to the craps table for weber and came up snake eyes....still no puck mover to match the career arc of the younger talent we have-Homer Fail.

you've been on point all nite.
- isaiah520

I've been trying to be positive about things, and see both sides of it, but it's maddening to see the same sort of mistake be repeated time and again.

How nice would it be to plug JvR in next to Giroux right now?

You know what? I don't think we're getting a trade...not right now. I think they would like to do one, but I just don't think they are going to find one that makes sense right now. They won't address the true need of need of this team, the speed and mobility of this team, until some of these players establish their value, for better or worse.

This season...man. This time next year, every single thing could be different. Homer out, plan changed, players moved. But I don't think they will find anything that makes sense for what they need during the season.
- AllInForFlyers

That's what worries me, a trade just to shake things up or to add a guy who can move the puck who is 35 and is just a short term fix.

I'd just like to see them place a premium on smarts..
- Jsaquella

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' CULTURE CHANGE!!

in his last 39 games, he's totaled 11 points
- Jsaquella

Playing with G most of the time. That's awful.

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' CULTURE CHANGE!!
- Tomahawk

Remain Calm!! All Is Well