They didn't trade JVR for a veteran. They traded JVR for a young promising defenseman that is now part of the young core. I disagree that you don't go out and sign a player like Lecavalier when your primary concern is the future. They signed him for 5 years. No reason why he can't be a big part of the future. I doubt they had to make a sales pitch to Lecavalier. He's not dumb, he knows the deal and where the Flyers are at.
- MJL

Yes...they traded JvR for a young defenseman, who was added to the existing three defensemen with similar skill sets, a year after they signed him to a six year contract extension.

When you trade a guy that soon after signing him to that long of an extension, it shows a certain lack of consistency in your planning.

When Lecavalier was signed, he stated he was excited to come to the Flyers because they were positioned to win and had a coach who plays an untempo style in Laviolette. He had offers from 10 or 15 other teams, pretty sure that the Flyers did some selling, especially after Holmgren said that he was their primary target in the summer.

That's my biggest issue. Guys sign a contract, look like they're going to be a key piece moving forward and then a year later they're traded away.

It's extremely frustrating.
- Jsaquella

Flyers have signed a lot of players to contract extensions. They only traded 3 players a short time later after re-signing them. The consensus when the Richard and Carter trades were made, was that they were happy with the deals. And there was a lot of excitement with the deals. Especially when the Flyers drafted Couturier. Now after a few road bumps, it seems as though a lot of fans have soured and lost patience.

If he misreads a play, or gets out of position, he does not have the foot speed to recover. That was one of the biggest reasons why Toronto fans labeled him as slow. It was all due to positioning, and getting out of it to throw hits.
- MJL

No, the reason TO fans labeled him as slow was because he didn't have the greatest foot speed. He still doesn't.

Reading and reacting at the wrong time are other issues he needs to deal with.

If the team decides to blow it up and Nashville decides to play ball with the FLyers would either team do:

L.Schenn, B. Schenn, Morin and and 2015 1st rd pick for Weber?
- jstross

I've got to think if that deal were to go down Nashville would want a forward-heavy deal.

I find it so bizarre that all of the philly teams (sixers don't count) really had something good going and managed to trash it with each team. Andy Reid was here way too long, Amaro has never been a good GM and (frank)ed up a championship team with his poop moves, and Homer can't help but trade a core player every 2 years.

Just getting tired of the Flyers' bullpoop. I can deal with rebuilding, but it's hard to become attached to any player when anyone has a chance of being moved out at any time due to the front office's impulsiveness.
- feelingkettle

player movement is just a part of the deal now. it's on the foolish side to get attached to any player these days. we're basically rooting for laundry.

homer did an excellent job early on puling this team out of the cellar, but the team has regressed. trading away 3 key players shortly after long extensions is not sticking to any kind of plan. not to mention the goalie debacle, yes, they've gotten pretty good value back and i'm not against the trades - my point is they've consistently demonstrated a change in course as well as handed out several questionable contracts along the way. i don't have a ton of faith this will trend the other way and lead to a cup under holmgren's watch.

Yes...they traded JvR for a young defenseman, who was added to the existing three defensemen with similar skill sets, a year after they signed him to a six year contract extension.

When you trade a guy that soon after signing him to that long of an extension, it shows a certain lack of consistency in your planning.

When Lecavalier was signed, he stated he was excited to come to the Flyers because they were positioned to win and had a coach who plays an untempo style in Laviolette. He had offers from 10 or 15 other teams, pretty sure that the Flyers did some selling.
- Jsaquella

Making one trade doesn't show a lack of consistency in planning. No GM can foresee the future, and what might come available. And again the one skill set that L. Schenn had per se, that's being overlooked is youth. The Flyers at the time had a surplus of young forwards and a lack of young defenseman.
I seriously doubt that the Flyers had to tell Lecavalier what the team's status was. The selling the Flyers did was with 5 years and the money.

I've got to think if that deal were to go down Nashville would want a forward-heavy deal.
- hereticpride

Yeah, if they wouldn't take that type of deal the Flyers would have to decimate their forward corps. So it';s Couts and B. Schenn to start a deal and I wouldn't go there.

No, the reason TO fans labeled him as slow was because he didn't have the greatest foot speed. He still doesn't.

Reading and reacting at the wrong time are other issues he needs to deal with.
- 77rams

The Toronto fans labeled him as being too slow to be a good player. They were wrong.

Flyers have signed a lot of players to contract extensions. They only traded 3 players a short time later after re-signing them. The consensus when the Richard and Carter trades were made, was that they were happy with the deals. And there was a lot of excitement with the deals. Especially when the Flyers drafted Couturier. Now after a few road bumps, it seems as though a lot of fans have soured and lost patience.
- MJL

I can only speak for myself, but I have not lost patience with the players, more so with the front office. Whether they have a plan, just suck at executing it, or what is beyond me, but it's hard to be patient when I'm not even sure what they're going for anymore.

I am more than happy to wait for Couturier to develop and for Giroux to get his mojo back. I would be more patient with the Schenns, but they will forever be tied to their trades and thoughts about what could've been. I always liked JVR, and I can't help but wonder how he'd look on Giroux's wing in the future. I know we needed some defense when we traded for Luke, but we suck so bad right now that I wonder if he is actually making a difference.

Flyers have signed a lot of players to contract extensions. They only traded 3 players a short time later after re-signing them. The consensus when the Richard and Carter trades were made, was that they were happy with the deals. And there was a lot of excitement with the deals. Especially when the Flyers drafted Couturier. Now after a few road bumps, it seems as though a lot of fans have soured and lost patience.
- MJL

The Flyers have signed 7 players to contracts of 6 years or more since 2009. Two players out of those seven are on the active roster.

Richards, Carter and JvR were traded away. Bryzgalov bought out. Pronger injured. Simmonds and Hartnell are the two on the active roster. One of them has 12 points in his last 39 games at age 31

Making one trade doesn't show a lack of consistency in planning. No GM can foresee the future, and what might come available. And again the one skill set that L. Schenn had per se, that's being overlooked is youth. The Flyers at the time had a surplus of young forwards and a lack of young defenseman.
I seriously doubt that the Flyers had to tell Lecavalier what the team's status was. The selling the Flyers did was with 5 years and the money.
- MJL

No, making 3 trades, buying out another long term contract, firing the coach after 3 games, trading for a young defenseman that has a similar skillset to 3 other defensemen already on the roster shows a lack of consistency in planning.

The Flyers have signed 7 players to contracts of 6 years or more since 2009. Two players out of those seven are on the active roster.

Richards, Carter and JvR were traded away. Bryzgalov bought out. Pronger injured. Simmonds and Hartnell are the two on the active roster. One of them has 12 points in his last 39 games at age 31
- Jsaquella

Let's not forget the shift from "we'll be patient with our young players" to signing Bryz and then trading Bob away. I'm glad they have Mason now, but jesus christ, I can't take anything the higher ups on this team say seriously anymore.

The Flyers have signed 7 players to contracts of 6 years or more since 2009. Two players out of those seven are on the active roster.

Richards, Carter and JvR were traded away. Bryzgalov bought out. Pronger injured. Simmonds and Hartnell are the two on the active roster. One of them has 12 points in his last 39 games at age 31
- Jsaquella

Do you disagree with the Bryzgalov buyout and think the Flyers made a mistake and should've brought him back? Pronger hasn't been traded after he was signed and is still on the roster. So not sure how he fits into the premise. So again were down to 3 players.

I can only speak for myself, but I have not lost patience with the players, more so with the front office. Whether they have a plan, just suck at executing it, or what is beyond me, but it's hard to be patient when I'm not even sure what they're going for anymore.

I am more than happy to wait for Couturier to develop and for Giroux to get his mojo back. I would be more patient with the Schenns, but they will forever be tied to their trades and thoughts about what could've been. I always liked JVR, and I can't help but wonder how he'd look on Giroux's wing in the future. I know we needed some defense when we traded for Luke, but we suck so bad right now that I wonder if he is actually making a difference.
- feelingkettle

Exactly. I'm willing to wait and see what Couturier or Schenn can become. The problem is, I fear that the front office will tire of it and trade one or both of them for a quick fix.

Do you disagree with the Bryzgalov buyout and think the Flyers made a mistake and should've brought him back? Pronger hasn't been traded after he was signed and is still on the roster. So not sure how he fits into the premise. So again were down to 3 players.
- MJL

No. I disagree with the haste and lack of homework that went into the decision to sign him in the first place.

Again, when you make a move of that magnitude, and then change course after a year or two, then it's poor planning and really short sighted management.

Exactly. I'm willing to wait and see what Couturier or Schenn can become. The problem is, I fear that the front office will tire of it and trade one or both of them for a quick fix.
- Jsaquella

Couts is playing well except his shot has been off net too much. He stays. B. Schenn is a different story.

Let's not forget the shift from "we'll be patient with our young players" to signing Bryz and then trading Bob away. I'm glad they have Mason now, but jesus christ, I can't take anything the higher ups on this team say seriously anymore.
- feelingkettle

Yup. That's the issue.

They ran out and signed a big name goalie because the coach handled the young guy with potential poorly. That led to the trade of the young guy, and after two years, the guy with the 9 year deal was bought out.

Sorry, but that is poor planning.

boston's on its way to another title. 5-0 in the 4th. the rich get richer.

No, making 3 trades, buying out another long term contract, firing the coach after 3 games, trading for a young defenseman that has a similar skillset to 3 other defensemen already on the roster shows a lack of consistency in planning.
- Jsaquella

I don't agree. Again, with going with youth and building a core. Trading JVR for L. Schenn, a young defenseman, isn't going against the plan. And again, you are discounting the Flyers need for young defenseman. As if there is some rule against bringing in a quality young defenseman because you have two older defenseman with similar games. They've kept the young core intact from the Richards and Carter trades intact for how many Seasons now? And have shown an unwillingness to trade Schenn and or Couturier. I think there's a lot more consistency then is being given credit for.

The Sixers beat the Heat tonight. Their rookie point guard went for 22 pts, 12 assists, 9 steals. Several steals of Lebron late in the game. That was fun.

Screwing up the tanking

varlamov arrested on domestic abuse charge.

Avs goalie Varlamov charged with 2nd degree kidnapping and 3rd degree assualt charges...ugh

No. I disagree with the haste and lack of homework that went into the decision to sign him in the first place.

Again, when you make a move of that magnitude, and then change course after a year or two, then it's poor planning and really short sighted management.
- Jsaquella

I don't have an issue going out and signing the top free agent goaltender available, who was a recent Vezina finalist. I don't think there was haste involved or a lack of homework. Nature of the beast with Free Agents. I blame the player who didn't play to the level of the contract he was given. And I think it's smart to admit a mistake and move on without Cap penalty, if you think it's not going to work out. If you have the opportunity.

victorino with single, RBI, 6-0. eeesh.

Couts is playing well except his shot has been off net too much. He stays. B. Schenn is a different story.
- jstross

I'm hesitant to move either at this point. I think both are going to be very good players.