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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 30 @ 12:13 PM ET
The only thing that would make this possible are two words. Dirt nap.
- PLindbergh31


i'm disappointed to see these words instead of: grease. fire.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 30 @ 12:15 PM ET
i'm disappointed to see these words instead of: grease. fire.
- hammarby31



Life Alert would save him.
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Oct 30 @ 12:17 PM ET
Homer traded Harry Z to get him from the Ducks' AHL affiliate, then proceeded to sign him to a 2-YEAR EXTENSION. That's a Jody Shelley-level WTF series of events.
- Tomahawk


All b/c Voracek stood up for Giroux one game and got his ass kicked.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 30 @ 12:18 PM ET
All b/c Voracek stood up for Giroux one game and got his ass kicked.
- flyguy12


Fairly certain Voracek pounded that guy in that fight pretty good.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Oct 30 @ 12:19 PM ET
What we need is committed two way play from all 4 lines. No two offensive two defensive. If its a one goal game with 4 minutes left.. My two centers for those last two shifts would be Couts and G.
- jak521


Nah. Our best teams always had a 2 lines that could play defense and 2 lines that scored. Think back to the SCF year. The Richards line and Lappy-Betts line were both shut-down lines and Giroux and Carters lines were scoring lines.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Oct 30 @ 12:19 PM ET
The new math?
- jmatchett383


Public school education eh?
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Oct 30 @ 12:21 PM ET
Fairly certain Voracek pounded that guy in that fight pretty good.
- johndewar


The only thing Voracek pounds are Pilsner Urquell's and His momma's dumplings.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 30 @ 12:22 PM ET
so fred-ex is going to prison for tax fraud. carry on...
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 30 @ 12:24 PM ET
The only thing Voracek pounds are Pilsner Urquell's and His momma's dumplings.
- flyguy12


I don't know. He looked like handled himself quite well here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2DVuvh-TIE
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 30 @ 12:26 PM ET
so fred-ex is going to prison for tax fraud. carry on...
- hammarby31


Freddie would like to thank his hands. For never hiring an accountant to do his taxes.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Oct 30 @ 12:26 PM ET
We've traded a lot of our young assets over the years... some would argue more than any other team in the league... we just did a wholesale overhaul of our young core not 2 summers ago. The vast majority of the players on the roster were brought in via UFA/trade... only 3 guys are Flyers picks, and a couple were undrafted UFA's. That's it.

This isn't a team that has been clinging to the same tired faces for an eternity -- this is a team that has been shuffling new faces into the lineup NON STOP.

And we wonder where the chemistry, identity and consistency have gone.

- Tomahawk


This team has been together for the last 3 years for the most part, and is getting worse each year, not better. Just because you go out and trade for a bunch of young guys doesn't mean they are the right young guys to move you into the future. Now that the team has played togther for a while, its time to determine who fits, who doesnt. Who is developing, and who isnt. Its time to reassess expectations. Couturier no longer looks like he could be the next Jordan Staal. Right now he looks like he could be a slightly better verison of Handzus.

Just like we currently have too many 2nd pairing d-men and ZERO 1st pairing d-men, we also have too many young talent with 2nd-3rd line potential and not enough 1st line talent.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 30 @ 12:31 PM ET
idk where to start from, we finally have a stud goalie and the team sucks, berube as coach has grown on me, g's best year was with jagr and i dont think gets ny better then that and then crowned captain too early cuz lavvy said he was the best player in the world, timmo needs to retire yesterday hes making a fool of himself out there, we need a new 4th line, vinny was an awesome pick up, thats all for now
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 30 @ 12:33 PM ET
This team has been together for the last 3 years for the most part, and is getting worse each year, not better. Just because you go out and trade for a bunch of young guys doesn't mean they are the right young guys to move you into the future. Now that the team has played togther for a while, its time to determine who fits, who doesnt. Who is developing, and who isnt. Its time to reassess expectations. Couturier no longer looks like he could be the next Jordan Staal. Right now he looks like he could be a slightly better verison of Handzus.

Just like we currently have too many 2nd pairing d-men and 1st pairing d-men, we also have too many young talent with 2nd-3rd line potential and not enough 1st line talent.

- youarewrong


When Handzus was Staal's age, he had more 50 point seasons than Staal does and he was playing with John LeClair and Mark Recchi in a lower scoring era
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Oct 30 @ 12:37 PM ET
When Handzus was Staal's age, he had more 50 point seasons than Staal does and he was playing with John LeClair and Mark Recchi in a lower scoring era
- Jsaquella


Ok then, Jamie Langenbrunner instead of Joe Thornton...
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 30 @ 12:38 PM ET
When Handzus was Staal's age, he had more 50 point seasons than Staal does and he was playing with John LeClair and Mark Recchi in a lower scoring era
- Jsaquella


Exactly -- being Michal Handzus isn't exactly horrifying.

But the thing I noticed last night about Couturier is that he's still developing "man strength."

He's not the player he will be, a few years from now. I have no idea, no clue whatsoever, how many points he'll score. Maybe he doesn't become more productive as he gets stronger.

But he's still a young man, growing into that frame.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Oct 30 @ 12:39 PM ET
I wonder if we waited until now to give Giroux a contract, how much cheaper it might be....
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
New podcast posted.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
i'm disappointed to see these words instead of: grease. fire.
- hammarby31


HAHA! No I have respect for Mr. Snider. Natural causes sir.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
STATEMENT GAME TONIGHT
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
Homer traded Harry Z to get him from the Ducks' AHL affiliate, then proceeded to sign him to a 2-YEAR EXTENSION. That's a Jody Shelley-level WTF series of events.
- Tomahawk


The amazing thing with Shelley was not only the 3 year deal which is mind boggling to give to an enforcer in his mid 30's, but the 1.1 million dollar cap hit, which is double the going rate for goons.

Comical how anyone defended that signing.

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 30 @ 12:43 PM ET
HAHA! No I have respect for Mr. Snider. Natural causes sir.
- PLindbergh31


good to know.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 30 @ 12:44 PM ET
so fred-ex is going to prison for tax fraud. carry on...
- hammarby31


37 months! I would have given him 3 years of Eagles season tickets. Harsher sentence.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 30 @ 12:44 PM ET
STATEMENT GAME TONIGHT
- Crimsoninja


oh yeah?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 30 @ 12:45 PM ET
37 months! I would have given him 3 years of Eagles season tickets. Harsher sentence.
- PLindbergh31


seems like a long time for someone like him, meanwhile huge corporations pay nothing. anyway...don't want to turn this into politicaltaxbuzz.com.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Oct 30 @ 12:46 PM ET
Exactly -- being Michal Handzus isn't exactly horrifying.

But the thing I noticed last night about Couturier is that he's still developing "man strength."

He's not the player he will be, a few years from now. I have no idea, no clue whatsoever, how many points he'll score. Maybe he doesn't become more productive as he gets stronger.

But he's still a young man, growing into that frame.

- AllInForFlyers


I think his defensive game is going to excell beyond limit. But I just don't see any hint of developing into someone that is a scoring threat. He might get goals because of ice time, lucky bounces, etc.... But I doubt he will ever be someone you put out there for say a shootout. Or someone the other team dreads on a breakaway or 2 on 1.
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