Yikes, Anthony Mantha has 16-goals in 10-games (28pts).

I'd prefer a playoff run & it's way too early to be wanting the #1 pick.
- ob18

nah...not going to really start the tanking convos until we can identify a clear #1 pick

Yikes, Anthony Mantha has 16-goals in 10-games (28pts).
- Tomahawk

Mantha could be the antha...

Mantha could be the antha...
- isaiah520

oh no...i can already hear jim jackson saying it in my head

Mantha could be the antha...
- isaiah520

Aaron Buh!

Yikes, Anthony Mantha has 16-goals in 10-games (28pts).
- Tomahawk

Who?

From Spectors:

SPORTSNET: Mark Spector (No relation) reports on the Philadelphia Flyers early season woes and wonders if they might make a major trade in the coming weeks. Spector noted the equally struggling Edmonton Oilers have the scoring wingers (Ales Hemsky, Nail Yakupov) Flyers GM Holmgren seeks, “and a shopping list that includes size and grit (Wayne Simmonds), a defenceman (Braydon Coburn), or a young centreman with some size (Sean Couturier).” Spector also notes the equally floundering Buffalo Sabres have a scoring winger in Thomas Vanek who’s a pending UFA next summer.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: First off, I think the Flyers would have more interest in Yakupov than the injury-prone, expensive ($5 million) Hemsky. The Oilers would undoubtedly have interest in Simmonds, Coburn or Couturier. Of that trio, Coburn is now least likely to move because the Flyers have blueline issues of their own, and they like Simmonds gritty style. That could leave Couturier, once considered untouchable, as the more likely trade candidate.

Vanek would certainly help the Flyers offense, but his UFA status and the perception he’ll sign with the Minnesota Wild next summer makes him a risky acquisition, unless the Flyers could get him to first agree to re-sign with them as a condition of the trade.

Question is, would a trade among any of these struggling teams actually help them, or would it be merely rearranging the deck chairs on two sinking ships?

From Spectors:

SPORTSNET: Mark Spector (No relation) reports on the Philadelphia Flyers early season woes and wonders if they might make a major trade in the coming weeks. Spector noted the equally struggling Edmonton Oilers have the scoring wingers (Ales Hemsky, Nail Yakupov) Flyers GM Holmgren seeks, “and a shopping list that includes size and grit (Wayne Simmonds), a defenceman (Braydon Coburn), or a young centreman with some size (Sean Couturier).” Spector also notes the equally floundering Buffalo Sabres have a scoring winger in Thomas Vanek who’s a pending UFA next summer.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: First off, I think the Flyers would have more interest in Yakupov than the injury-prone, expensive ($5 million) Hemsky. The Oilers would undoubtedly have interest in Simmonds, Coburn or Couturier. Of that trio, Coburn is now least likely to move because the Flyers have blueline issues of their own, and they like Simmonds gritty style. That could leave Couturier, once considered untouchable, as the more likely trade candidate.

Vanek would certainly help the Flyers offense, but his UFA status and the perception he’ll sign with the Minnesota Wild next summer makes him a risky acquisition, unless the Flyers could get him to first agree to re-sign with them as a condition of the trade.

Question is, would a trade among any of these struggling teams actually help them, or would it be merely rearranging the deck chairs on two sinking ships?


- isaiah520

Wouldn't trade Schenn and/or Couturier for Weber, but maybe for some Russian guy.

Yikes, Anthony Mantha has 16-goals in 10-games (28pts).
- Tomahawk

It would figure the last 2 games I watched him in recent days he was shutdown

nah...not going to really start the tanking convos until we can identify a clear #1 pick
- Just5

The flyers identified a potential franchise defenseman last year in the draft, decided not to tank for him. Seth Jones played 28 minutes for the Preds last game.

we all think a trade is coming it's just a matter of who and for whom

From Spectors:

SPORTSNET: Mark Spector (No relation) reports on the Philadelphia Flyers early season woes and wonders if they might make a major trade in the coming weeks. Spector noted the equally struggling Edmonton Oilers have the scoring wingers (Ales Hemsky, Nail Yakupov) Flyers GM Holmgren seeks, “and a shopping list that includes size and grit (Wayne Simmonds), a defenceman (Braydon Coburn), or a young centreman with some size (Sean Couturier).” Spector also notes the equally floundering Buffalo Sabres have a scoring winger in Thomas Vanek who’s a pending UFA next summer.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: First off, I think the Flyers would have more interest in Yakupov than the injury-prone, expensive ($5 million) Hemsky. The Oilers would undoubtedly have interest in Simmonds, Coburn or Couturier. Of that trio, Coburn is now least likely to move because the Flyers have blueline issues of their own, and they like Simmonds gritty style. That could leave Couturier, once considered untouchable, as the more likely trade candidate.

Vanek would certainly help the Flyers offense, but his UFA status and the perception he’ll sign with the Minnesota Wild next summer makes him a risky acquisition, unless the Flyers could get him to first agree to re-sign with them as a condition of the trade.

Question is, would a trade among any of these struggling teams actually help them, or would it be merely rearranging the deck chairs on two sinking ships?


- isaiah520

oh no...i can already hear jim jackson saying it in my head
- hogweed

He's a Red Wings pick, they will not rush the kid and it will be years before you see him in the NHL

but he's not a puck mover

in your ensuing post you claim "just because you don't like the trade..."

every argument you made is proven wrong by where the flyers are at right now based on who they kept and who they traded or let go of. i hope you found your drive by 4 hrs later arguments cathartic, cause they certainly aren't cogent...not even close. who on this board would rather not have JVR and carle back instead of schenn...and possibly by extension, streit? homer (frank)ed up...can't you see that?
- isaiah520

So the team being 1-7 is because Holmgren traded JVR for Luke Schenn? If you honestly believe that, then you are really overrating JVR. So if you want to label an opinion cogent, that isn't one to hang your hat on. Nothing I stated has been proven wrong. The outcome of the trade is still undecided. What anyone on this board would rather have, is irrelevant. And if "anyone" on this board comes back and says they'd rather have Carle, well then there is some serious hypocritical thoughts being spoken. Because this board was overwhelmingly in favor of letting Carle walk and not paying him what he received in Free Agency.

Bottom line is that the future will decide who screwed up and who didn't. Not one 8 game stretch.

And one part of my argument is that young defenseman take every bit as long to develop as Power Forwards do, if not longer. That argument is proven wrong by the Flyers current level of play and 1-7 start?

The flyers identified a potential franchise defenseman last year in the draft, decided not to tank for him. Seth Jones played 28 minutes for the Preds last game.
- Flyers_01

Are you being serious?

He's a Red Wings pick, they will not rush the kid and it will be years before you see him in the NHL
- ob18

Maybe not years if he keeps up that pace

I love the transitional elements that come with a trade, Flyers traded Sbisa, Carle, Lupul, three 1sts, And JvR for Ryan Dingle, 2 years of Pronger the one eyed pirate and some pylon on our defense that wears 22.

Wouldn't trade Schenn and/or Couturier for Weber, but maybe for some Russian guy.


- feelingkettle

i think the flyers posture regarding those 2 is different now...not that i recommend that course of action, but clearly they are not in the same position.

i think the flyers posture regarding those 2 is different now...not that i recommend that course of action, but clearly they are not in the same position.
- isaiah520

The Flyers position has certainly changed. But that should make Schenn and Couturier more untouchable, not less.

Are you being serious?
- JAKEw1234

Which part? Seth Jones averaged over 24 minutes a night his last 5 games.

Which part? Seth Jones averaged over 24 minutes a night his last 5 games.
- Flyers_01

How does an NHL team go about tanking?

After 1

Rimouski - 2
Sherbrooke - 1

Morin has an assist

Maybe not years if he keeps up that pace
- JAKEw1234

True, but in typical fashion with the Red Wings he'll pay his dues first.

How does an NHL team go about tanking?
- MJL

um lose games?

Which part? Seth Jones averaged over 24 minutes a night his last 5 games.
- Flyers_01

The part about you blaming the franchise for not tanking

How does an NHL team go about tanking?
- MJL

Lavi should have never changed his system for the injuries and played Lauridson on the 1st pair 30 minutes a night.