Just over two hours to game time

Right, there are no difference between a 20 year old and a 23 year old in this league.

I still consider Couturier a prospect because he has yet to become anything more than that while having alot of potential (was projected a #1 overall for a huge part of his draft year.)

I consider Gardiner a decent/good young player who, while receiving many praise from Leafs fans, has yet to do anything spectacular as an offensive defenseman even when used in that same role.
- Scabeh

Couturier has lost some of his shine and no one can dispute that. He has played 126 games in the NHL with a total of 42pts. Still has potential to be good but is not the god you are making him out to be.
Jake Gardiner is 23yrs old with only 90 games played and 34pts....that means Jake Gardiner as a dman is out producing Couturier, a forward on a per game basis - with less NHL experience.

To say that Gardiner for Couturier is not a fair trade is just blind Leaf hatred bias.

This is silly.

Best exemple being Luke Schenn. He sucked with TO, still sucks in Philly.

JVR is a very good player, was in Philly, still is in TO.
- Scabeh

When JVR was traded to Toronto, for the most part, fans were very happy with that trade and I don't think Philly fans were...so no, this is not a good example.

I could see a Gardiner for Couturier swap going down, although I want to hold on to Gardiner.
- ThePresident

I said the exact same thing today but with the way Holmgrem gives away top end talent, why not go for B Schenn.........

They gave away a first line winter for a 4th or 5th defensemen last time. Why not try again. Gards is a 3rd or 4th d man so that should at least get us B Schenn.

Reading up on Florida's 1st pick from 2010 Eric Gudbranson. I SERIOUSLY doubt Florida is even thinking of moving this guy. He seems to have all the tools to be an all around superstar on defense. Where as Gardiner's game is heavily tilted towards offense. Unless Tallon has a real hard for Gardiner, no way this deal gets done.

2nd line should be Lupul Kadri Raymond ....goals galore

2nd line should be Lupul Kadri Raymond ....goals galore
- CarlitoBrigante

except for the fact that Bolland has been outplaying Kadri by a country mile

leafs win 4-1

Just tried reading Berger's blog to see how far into insanity unemployment has flung him... but the whole thing is written in arial bold.

I guess I got my answer...

2nd line should be Lupul Kadri Raymond ....goals galore
- CarlitoBrigante

Exactly cool movie guy. What has Ashton done to be promoted over Raymond on the 2nd line? WTF?

I'm hoping the Leafs keep Gardiner

gardiner is going nowhere.

Just tried reading Berger's blog to see how far into insanity unemployment has flung him... but the whole thing is written in arial bold.

I guess I got my answer...
- Feeling Glucky?

does he do his blogs on a type writer and then scan them into a computer

I'm hoping the Leafs keep Gardiner
- honesthockey

Look like we should trade him after all

except for the fact that Bolland has been outplaying Kadri by a country mile
- Sheppy99

Hey sexy avatar person. That's why Carlyle is a genius. If Kadri isn't going, he gets replaced by Bolland. Love the Kadri/Bolland platoon thing.

I'm hoping the Leafs keep Gardiner
- honesthockey

Now you're just trolling HH.

Now you're just trolling HH.
- AdamFrench

Need him in the minors by Christmas.

Need him in the minors by Christmas.
- honesthockey

I think it's been explained why this will never happen....

Just tried reading Berger's blog to see how far into insanity unemployment has flung him... but the whole thing is written in arial bold.

I guess I got my answer...
- Feeling Glucky?

All little creepy unemployed Howie does now a days is take pretty pictures of the skies & boast online of every hockey memorbillia he has collected.

Need him in the minors by Christmas.
- honesthockey

Should have bet on Ranger for that honour mate.

I think it's been explained why this will never happen....
- Cooshie

Explain away. I don't care.

Should have bet on Ranger for that honour mate.
- AdamFrench

Ranger gets a few games bye while shaking the rust off.

Shouldn't we all realize that Gards takes a while to get his poop together every year so far?

He's the Roberto Luongo of defense in October. Let him be. He'll be fine.

Couturier has lost some of his shine and no one can dispute that. He has played 126 games in the NHL with a total of 42pts. Still has potential to be good but is not the god you are making him out to be.
Jake Gardiner is 23yrs old with only 90 games played and 34pts....that means Jake Gardiner as a dman is out producing Couturier, a forward on a per game basis - with less NHL experience.

To say that Gardiner for Couturier is not a fair trade is just blind Leaf hatred bias.
- Cooshie

really? because you guys are starting to sound like you want Gardiner gone, while Philly fans certainly don't want to see Couturier dealt. that's a pretty strong sign. and yes, he's out-pointing a teenager by 0.04 points per game. awesome. now compare what they do defensively or on the PK.

Ranger gets a few games bye while shaking the rust off.
- honesthockey

The rust of a full camp and a full AHL season. Prospects and AHL call ups would kill for this position and nobody would claim rust if they sucked (Holzer)