Totally agree. To think this could be one of our top line drives me insane...

JVR RICHIE CARTS
- FlyerLifer

Don't forget Bob in goal.

Agreed Bill.
The PK, and PP are flat. If Philly is on the PP, and the other team stands them up on the blue line, the Flyers look lost on how to get it into the offensive zone. On the other side, the Philly PK looks timid, and then scrambles around when the puck starts to move.
Then, there are too many penalties overall. When the Flyers get frustrated, or lazy as you say, the penalties start getting called against them.
Lavy looks frustrated most of the game, and I would be at a loss as well on how to motivate these guys to play 60 minutes. We are finally getting some goal tending, and we won't support it. I repeatedly see the forwards standing around at the top of the blue line waiting for the D-men to get the puck to them. Then, once they do get to go into the offensive zone, many line changes are being made, because the guys have been in the D-zone too long. Thus, any offensive pressure is minimal.
I really think Vinny should be captain of this team. He has the hunger, and desire to play because he knows that this might be his last chance at another Cup. The young guys with the long contracts have yet to earn their pay. If I was Lavy, I would start calling up the AHL guys, and have them play while the over priced guys sit for a while. But, I guess it's easier to change a coach than it is to get rid of all those "lazy" over priced players.
Thanks for listening. I really need to vent after another bad game. Otherwise, I might turn to the dark side, and start watching Cindy. Ok, ok, but bad thoughts do enter one's mind once the Flyers start hitting the ice. I need another drink...lol. WAKE UP FLYERS or the Cup will pass you up once again!

Who is out there that can coach with a proven track record and known to get the offense rolling?? Marc Crawford probably stays retired? Any other suggestions.
- flyerdude17

ted nolan every team he has coached has had success .... but he is black balled for what ever reason no one gives him a chance ... i think he can do great things as a head coach but have no idea what the problem is with him....

Agreed Bill.
The PK, and PP are flat. If Philly is on the PP, and the other team stands them up on the blue line, the Flyers look lost on how to get it into the offensive zone. On the other side, the Philly PK looks timid, and then scrambles around when the puck starts to move.
Then, there are too many penalties overall. When the Flyers get frustrated, or lazy as you say, the penalties start getting called against them.
Lavy looks frustrated most of the game, and I would be at a loss as well on how to motivate these guys to play 60 minutes. We are finally getting some goal tending, and we won't support it. I repeatedly see the forwards standing around at the top of the blue line waiting for the D-men to get the puck to them. Then, once they do get to go into the offensive zone, many line changes are being made, because the guys have been in the D-zone too long. Thus, any offensive pressure is minimal.
I really think Vinny should be captain of this team. He has the hunger, and desire to play because he knows that this might be his last chance at another Cup. The young guys with the long contracts have yet to earn their pay. If I was Lavy, I would start calling up the AHL guys, and have them play while the over priced guys sit for a while. But, I guess it's easier to change a coach than it is to get rid of all those "lazy" over priced players.
Thanks for listening. I really need to vent after another bad game. Otherwise, I might turn to the dark side, and start watching Cindy. Ok, ok, but bad thoughts do enter one's mind once the Flyers start hitting the ice. I need another drink...lol. WAKE UP FLYERS or the Cup will pass you up once again!
- OrangeAndBlack1

Nothing is bad enough to go watch and root for cindy

Rookie year. 14 minutes average ice time. 13 goals, 14 assists. Plus 18.

Hat trick against the Pens in the PO's.
- 77rams

Couter was basically useless last year and looks weak again this year. His rookie year was unreal and hopefully he is not damaged. This falls on coaching, some players can not work with certain coaching styles, ie Ovechkin getting revived by Oates after Boudreau almost ruined him, Grabovski in Toronto now looking world beater with Oates. Hot Lava is a terrible coach once his first year is up, how can your team take 9 dumb penalties and those guys still hit the ice. Lava has no control over this team and needs to go. Lava is a big part of the problem and should take the fall if they lose again today.

when you trade 2 cornerstone pieces for younger guys (4 of them), & give them 1 & 1/2 seasons to elevate & mature their games) then hand Vinny (sorry, his contract is still biting me) 5 years to play the role of 2 of the guys you were building on/with.

I think the plan changes ever time Snider blows out candles
- puckhead17

That could be true. The Richards trade bugs me the most. Schenn bugs the crap out of me to no end. To me he lacks the size to be a power forward, he lacks the talent to be a top line player, and he lacks the strength required to be a 3/4th line guy. I think the Flyers need to find out what exactly he's good at, and let him do that. Relying on him for offense is a bad idea, IN MY OPINION.

No way Giroux Is our best faceoff guy. Keep the lines they way they were but swap Hartnell and Voracek. Hartnell has been awful. Wont shoot and makes bad passes. On D put Gus in. Flyers D played much better while Coburn was injured last season so why not try that again.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Has Giroux even played the first two games? Haven't seen him.

That could be true. The Richards trade bugs me the most. Schenn bugs the crap out of me to no end. To me he lacks the size to be a power forward, he lacks the talent to be a top line player, and he lacks the strength required to be a 3/4th line guy. I think the Flyers need to find out what exactly he's good at, and let him do that. Relying on him for offense is a bad idea, IN MY OPINION.
- Flyersgod

i no what he is good at ... TRADE BAIT before the rest of the league realizes he is not as good as everyone thinks he is

...just sayin'
- Dkos

I completely agree with your assessment.

Don't forget Bob in goal.
- Dkos

Exactly, Lava's handling of Bob in the playoffs of his great rookie year was a joke. He is screwing up Couter the same way.
Hartnell is annoying as hell again, he spends more time on the ice and is like a slug out there, no wonder G has turned into a one man team, no Voracek and a cull on the other wing, lol

Don't forget Bob in goal.
- Dkos

When you add it all up, it equals not only a Lavy replacement, but a Homer replacement. His recent moves just haven't worked out. Carter Richards JVR Bob. I was willing to give them some time, but if we are perennially on the outside looking in for the playoffs, there is no other way to look at this than a disaster and to hand the reigns to Hextall.

That could be true. The Richards trade bugs me the most. Schenn bugs the crap out of me to no end. To me he lacks the size to be a power forward, he lacks the talent to be a top line player, and he lacks the strength required to be a 3/4th line guy. I think the Flyers need to find out what exactly he's good at, and let him do that. Relying on him for offense is a bad idea, IN MY OPINION.
- Flyersgod

BSchenn's biggest value to this team will probably come when he's packaged with a 1st...

He's young and he needs more time, but I'm failing to see all the hype. He's a fringe 2nd liner right now and I'm seeing little reason to beleive he'll ever get much further than that, which we have plenty of.

Coots has shown to be able to score and play well defensively at this level. He should only get better if he's place in a situation that will best allow him to develop.

BSchenn concerns me. After a terrific junior career, rated the number one Futures Prospect by the Hockey News a few years back while with LA, he put up nice numbers while in the AHL, none of which has translated yet into the NHL.

Though still young and may yet find his stride, I'm not yet convinced. All the hype that surrounded him earlier, plus that he was traded for Richards, proclaimed by some to be the next Richards, placed expectations pretty high.
- 77rams

Well put.

I've been ready to trade B.Schenn for a year now. He has average written all over him.

However, if we're going to change coaches i'd like to see how he does playing in a different system. Lavy's offense first system has turned into a "lure your fans into a coma with boring play" first system. No offense, no defense.

Why there is never anyone in front of the net I don't understand. Why we set up behind the net while the wingers stay against the boards I don't understand. We haven't attacked the net in years.

What I want is a head coach who is capable of adapting his system/style to what he has on hand, has a track record of winning at some level, and a record of instilling discipline. Not necessarily discipline to avoid penalties, but disciplined play within a system.

Poor discipline murders the Flyers. Poor gap control, forcing low percentage plays, overaggressive forechecking and getting caught and having it open up odd man rushes.
- Jsaquella

lindy Ruff then? cant remember if hes hired or not... dont really care either...

The thing that bothers me most about this team is that they are just no fun to watch. Of course I want them to win, but I've been a Philly sports fan long enough to know I can't expect that. What I do expect is an entertaining team. The Flyers have been pretty good about that for a lot of years. They may not always win but it's usually a fun ride. I'm just not feeling the excitement this year. This year's past-his-prime additions arent quite as thrilling as Pronger or Jagr or Forsberg were. The young guys aren't having the same impact as Richards or Carter did. Our star player isn't dominating. Our top defenseman are slow and old. We don't have a game-changer goalie. There's no team chemistry, no sense of direction or identity. The coaches system doesn't seem to fit the team that the manager has assembled. It's tough to find something to like so far this year.
- Dkos

This. They are not exciting to watch at all. I wind up doing dishes and cleaning the family room while watching the game because of it.

Exactly, Lava's handling of Bob in the playoffs of his great rookie year was a joke. He is screwing up Couter the same way.
Hartnell is annoying as hell again, he spends more time on the ice and is like a slug out there, no wonder G has turned into a one man team, no Voracek and a cull on the other wing, lol
- flyerdude17

lavys handling of this entire team has been screwed up he is trying to implement a system that this team cant play... adapt or get fired... that's his choice right now....i am leaning towards the getting fired right now

lindy Ruff then? cant remember if hes hired or not... dont really care either...
- JoeRussomanno

Ruff is in Dallas. Got his first win last night.

Who is out there that can coach with a proven track record and known to get the offense rolling?? Marc Crawford probably stays retired? Any other suggestions.
- flyerdude17

Pat Quinn. Get it done. We love going back in time.

lavys handling of this entire team has been screwed up he is trying to implement a system that this team cant play... adapt or get fired... that's his choice right now....i am leaning towards the getting fired right now
- flyer186

I can deal with them not winning it all every year, but they don't even have me believing that is a possibility anymore AND as you say are excruciating to watch.

coots has shown offensive ability? really? when? i haven't seen anything from him
- 2Real

I missed it as well...

That could be true. The Richards trade bugs me the most. Schenn bugs the crap out of me to no end. To me he lacks the size to be a power forward, he lacks the talent to be a top line player, and he lacks the strength required to be a 3/4th line guy. I think the Flyers need to find out what exactly he's good at, and let him do that. Relying on him for offense is a bad idea, IN MY OPINION.
- Flyersgod

The question I have is this: Does he think the game well enough, consistently enough, to be impactful over 17 minutes a night for 82 games?

Scoring at the NHL level -- it's one of the hardest things to do in professional sports, because unlike football, basketball, etc., there is one player who is SPECIFICALLY dedicated to stopping you from scoring and, if the goalie is good enough, he SEES what you're trying to do as you enter the zone.

He's looking right at you -- he sees everything!

That's where skill comes in -- there are going to be games where you literally might get two or three prime scoring chances -- and you have to bury them before the goalie can move.

The puck has to get off your stick as soon as it hits it and be labeled for a corner. Not every game is like that, because sometimes weird deflections take place, pucks bounce, pucks go off sticks and skates.

But over 82 games, you need enough guys who are able to think the game offensively at a high enough level where they find those "dead zones," are ready and waiting for a puck that might or might not come to them. But if it does, they have to have the skill to label it for a corner, INSTANTLY.

That's what I don't know if Brayden Schenn can do at the NHL level, for 82 games, for 17 minutes a night. I don't know if the thinks the game well enough offensively, and then has the requisite skill, to do it for an entire season.

Ruff is in Dallas. Got his first win last night.
- Hextall271

yea i just checked....

trying to get motivated to write two english papers.... Im too old for this poop

good news with a 3 year rebuild the organization has some good prospects and should have top ten picks. Snider cant be happy watching Bob and JVR

Pat Quinn. Get it done. We love going back in time.
- Flyersgod

Guy boucher former coach of Tampa he sent the flyers into fits with his coaching style i believe he is unemployed at this time....just not sure about the relationship with Vinny

Pat Quinn. Get it done. We love going back in time.
- Flyersgod

Do what Florida did. Get a proven junior guy like DeBoer, or get a guy like Desjardins, although I don't know much about him. New blood and new direction. The good thing about Hexy is that although he's part of the old boys club, he cut his teeth in another org that built the cup winners the right way. Lose for some seasons and build through the draft with a few solid tenders in the mix. This is why I hated losing Bob. I didn't know he'd be a Vezina winner, but keep 3 or 4 guys in the org until one is proven. Quick is the man now, THEN trade the asset to solidify other areas.