they didn't have their 4th round so they took him.....what's the % of picks after 1st round making the NHL....I bet 3rd round picks are at 5-10% make NHL so if we feel that we can find a player they like, why not?
- huks99

Because there were several players with much higher upsides available at that point in the draft.

Oliver Bjorkstrand, Jimmy Lodge & Jordan Subban were all much more highly rated, and have better upsides than Ghoulbourne, who the Flyers admitted is Rinaldo 2.0.

Getting a Rinaldo in the 6th round is a great move. Taking him in the third round is bad value. Also, Rinaldo is all of 23 year of age, it's unlikely they'll need to replace him in the next couple years.

Ha! Really, what I'm saying is that there's absolutely a time to develop young players -- and the Flyers should be doing that, absolutely. Young players need to develop.

But at the same time, no one should be guaranteed a spot in the NHL lineup because they're young, or because they play hard.

You should be in the lineup when you do those things and produce -- because at some point, instead of wondering if today is the day that "Young Player X" starts to fulfill his potential while losing games at the NHL level and getting no production, "The Next Young Player Who Is Producing in Adirodack" should get a shot.
- AllInForFlyers

If I can jump a bit on your toes here without being too much of an ass.

It seems that you are saying they either have to pick a talented player, or a player who has grit.

It shouldnt be a choice between Zherdev and Rinaldo. More complete players exist in this league, in particular forwards who play the game hard and also have skill. Forwards who have solid defensive games. If you look at Toronto, Boston, Chicago, LA. These teams are built on players who play the game hard, but also have skill. (small sample size)

Because there were several players with much higher upsides available at that point in the draft.

Oliver Bjorkstrand, Jimmy Lodge & Jordan Subban were all much more highly rated, and have better upsides than Ghoulbourne, who the Flyers admitted is Rinaldo 2.0.

Getting a Rinaldo in the 6th round is a great move. Taking him in the third round is bad value.
- Jsaquella

gettin Rinaldo some real ice time today would be a great move too, at least the kid plays like he gives a damn!!

Over the past 5 or 6 years, they have drafted more players that made it to the NHL than Detroit, New Jersey and the Rangers.

The biggest problem the past few years was not having numerous picks after the trades for Pronger, Grossmann and Kubina
- Jsaquella

We need more homegrown talent instead of trying to find the answer right now.

If I can jump a bit on your toes here without being too much of an ass.

It seems that you are saying they either have to pick a talented player, or a player who has grit.

It shouldnt be a choice between Zherdev and Rinaldo. More complete players exist in this league, in particular forwards who play the game hard and also have skill. Forwards who have solid defensive games. If you look at Toronto, Boston, Chicago, LA. These teams are built on players who play the game hard, but also have skill. (small sample size)
- flyer_nutter

No, you're fine -- people can disagree without attacking each other. I realize I see the game somewhat differently.

We both want the team to win, which is what matters.

It's like I said yesterday: I'd rather try to teach Wayne Gretzky to backcheck like Maxime Talbot than pray that Maxime Talbot scores 15 goals.

The current biggest argument, at least for me personally regarding letting the team grow and showing patience is that there is a disconnect.

You have an aging defense core with Hagg/Morin a few years away at best until they can contribute in a real significant way.

The forward core aside from Coots/BSchenn are what they are for the most part.

Now there is nothing really wrong with this, and nobody is saying to really tank as a team for 5 years. Yet I get a really strong vibe that at the cost of staying competative, at least in Snider's eyes, will have this team continously fiddling with mediocrity.

Here we go boys!!

Let's get a W here and get it goin!

We need more homegrown talent instead of trying to find the answer right now.
- steveromanowski

The Pronger move ended up bad, due to a freak injury. Had he not gotten hurt, few people would be complaining.

The other trades were born out of the Pronger injury, so it's kind of easy to second guess them now.

If I can jump a bit on your toes here without being too much of an ass.

It seems that you are saying they either have to pick a talented player, or a player who has grit.

It shouldnt be a choice between Zherdev and Rinaldo. More complete players exist in this league, in particular forwards who play the game hard and also have skill. Forwards who have solid defensive games. If you look at Toronto, Boston, Chicago, LA. These teams are built on players who play the game hard, but also have skill. (small sample size)
- flyer_nutter

Lord knows the Flyers could use a guy like Datsyuk, Bergeron or Toews but what I think he's trying to say is that having a 4th line of Rosehill, Hall and Rinaldo when your team is struggling to score is not a great idea. I would rather see Raffl or Akeson get a shot today over Rosehl or Newbury

Because there were several players with much higher upsides available at that point in the draft.

Oliver Bjorkstrand, Jimmy Lodge & Jordan Subban were all much more highly rated, and have better upsides than Ghoulbourne, who the Flyers admitted is Rinaldo 2.0.

Getting a Rinaldo in the 6th round is a great move. Taking him in the third round is bad value. Also, Rinaldo is all of 23 year of age, it's unlikely they'll need to replace him in the next couple years.
- Jsaquella

I'd also add Ryan Kujawinski, Anthony Duclair, Cole Cassels (now playing on a line with Laughton & 2014 prospect Dal Colle),Keaton Thompson, & JC Lipon all taken after

The Flyers get the backup which of course means a shutout loss

gettin Rinaldo some real ice time today would be a great move too, at least the kid plays like he gives a damn!!
- BiggE

He brings 1000x the energy that a Rosehill does, and I wasn't happy with Talbot on the third line.

Wow Rinaldo almost looked like a real playmaker there.

He brings 1000x the energy that a Rosehill does, and I wasn't happy with Talbot on the third line.
- Jsaquella

LOL Rinaldo almost set one up there

Couturier on the 4th line with Rinaldo and Talbot? Is that what I saw?

Because there were several players with much higher upsides available at that point in the draft.

Oliver Bjorkstrand, Jimmy Lodge & Jordan Subban were all much more highly rated, and have better upsides than Ghoulbourne, who the Flyers admitted is Rinaldo 2.0.

Getting a Rinaldo in the 6th round is a great move. Taking him in the third round is bad value. Also, Rinaldo is all of 23 year of age, it's unlikely they'll need to replace him in the next couple years.
- Jsaquella

If they have their own board and not following the other player rankings.....i have to have faith....just like morin, taken higher than most expected or even Laughton whenhe was drafted higher than most expected....we have to wait and see......my point is don't waste your brain cells over a 3rd-7th rounder.....waste your brain cell on a beer instead!!!!!!

Just a question I had pop into my head. Kind of generic, so try an ignore trades for simply picks.

What is the last trade the Flyers have had where they were on end of getting the best player out of a deal?

Chris Pronger and Coburn?

BSchenn moved to 3rd line, thank god.

I'd also add Ryan Kujawinski, Anthony Duclair, Cole Cassels (now playing on a line with Laughton & 2014 prospect Dal Colle),Keaton Thompson, & JC Lipon all taken after
- ob18

Well, I just went with the ones off the top of my head.


But when you draft a guy in the third round that was pegged by most as a 5th or 6th rounder, and who himself expected to go in the 5th round, there's going to be more than a few guys that were rated more highly.

Couturier on the 4th line with Rinaldo and Talbot? Is that what I saw?


- Giroux_Is_God

Couturier's with BSchenn and Rinaldo

Going out on a limb and gonna say we have an outburst today. 5-2 win today

Couturier on the 4th line with Rinaldo and Talbot? Is that what I saw?


- Giroux_Is_God

i think rinaldo got bumped up to the third line with couturier and schenn (i think?)

Couturier's with BSchenn and Rinaldo
- JAKEw1234

I like that line.

Sorry I had assumed it was Talbot. I tuned in just for the opening draw so I missed the lines.

Lord knows the Flyers could use a guy like Datsyuk, Bergeron or Toews but what I think he's trying to say is that having a 4th line of Rosehill, Hall and Rinaldo when your team is struggling to score is not a great idea. I would rather see Raffl or Akeson get a shot today over Rosehl or Newbury
- BiggE

For sure, good points.

I rather see Holmgren find a guy like Moen/Thorton who can actually play if they really want to have a guy ready to fight.

Just a question I had pop into my head. Kind of generic, so try an ignore trades for simply picks.

What is the last trade the Flyers have had where they were on end of getting the best player out of a deal?

Chris Pronger and Coburn?
- flyer_nutter

I'll take Voracek and Couturier over Carter