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oh he's nice to have.. but he isnt worth a poop ton of salary.. not yet anyways - Dozzer
Yep..I like Franson and hope he gets signed but the term has to be right considering imo he hasn't proven anything yet.. |
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So because Franson played with Fraser all year long, that makes him a #5 d.....does that make Holzer and Kostka #2's because they played with Phaneuf? - mykokes
They were number 2's |
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Dozzer
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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So because Franson played with Fraser all year long, that makes him a #5 d.....does that make Holzer and Kostka #2's because they played with Phaneuf? - mykokes
lame
not even addressing this.. you're smarter than that |
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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So because Franson played with Fraser all year long, that makes him a #5 d.....does that make Holzer and Kostka #2's because they played with Phaneuf? - mykokes
yes |
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Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Gents/ladies, serious question here.....should my sump pump be empty of water? Or should there always be water in it? I have no clue about this thing. |
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Rockhead_37
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Location: Bolton, ON Joined: 09.11.2010
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So because Franson played with Fraser all year long, that makes him a #5 d.....does that make Holzer and Kostka #2's because they played with Phaneuf? - mykokes
no... but it solidifies that franson is bottom pairing behind those guys because thier estoi is higher.
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Deeps27
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 07.08.2007
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oh he's nice to have.. but he isnt worth a poop ton of salary.. not yet anyways - Dozzer
This we can agree on |
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Gents/ladies, serious question here.....should my sump pump be empty of water? Or should there always be water in it? I have no clue about this thing. - Fakepartofme
Doesn't matter... |
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Feeling Glucky?
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Location: Tanktown, ON Joined: 10.08.2008
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yes, behind a guy that played 12 games... and a guy who was replaced by gunnar and played 25+ for the first 20 games or so
edit... toi/g
if just toi overall, i thinks he is #2... but again, that means nothing because it is bloated with the pptoi, that he got by pure circumstance - Rockhead_37
here's the funny thing... Kostka, even after being replaced by Gunnar, still saw more TOI at the end of the season than Franson. Gardiner, who saw ice time at the end of the year, when Franson was supposedly promoted, still about the same TOI/G.
And the reason we don't look at gross TOI numbers, but rather TOI/G, is because we need to take injuries into account. That's why he sits in second for overall gross TOI... because he wasn't injured much last season.
And playing a lot on the PP isn't by circumstance, he's good offensively. But he's only good offensively. He's a PP specialist who plays on the bottom pairing during regular action.
Therefore... he's a bottom pairing d-man. |
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lame
not even addressing this.. you're smarter than that - Dozzer
Leafs are in trouble if the only change to the D is Franson out, Ranger in.
Oh and Kostka or whoever disappearing completely.
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Gents/ladies, serious question here.....should my sump pump be empty of water? Or should there always be water in it? I have no clue about this thing. - Fakepartofme
empty is beautiful |
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Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS Joined: 07.05.2010
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(frank) 'EM ALL ....
I'm using the 6 years worth of draft picks in NHL 14
and trading all their asses anyway ! |
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Feeling Glucky?
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Location: Tanktown, ON Joined: 10.08.2008
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Gents/ladies, serious question here.....should my sump pump be empty of water? Or should there always be water in it? I have no clue about this thing. - Fakepartofme
Yea, doesn't matter. Just means there isn't any water in the well.
If it's running while it's empty, that's a problem. |
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Leafs are in trouble if the only change to the D is Franson out, Ranger in.
Oh and Kostka or whoever disappearing completely. - robin_steele264
Wrong... |
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Gents/ladies, serious question here.....should my sump pump be empty of water? Or should there always be water in it? I have no clue about this thing. - Fakepartofme
Is it raining where you are? Have you ever seen/heard it working? Take a Pail of water and pour it in there to see if it works first. |
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Atomic Wedgie
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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Oh I disagree. He's been steadily improving and ready to take the next step.
Leafs D was their weak spot last year and if the only change is adding Ranger and losing him I think it'll kill their chances this year.
Gotta get him in the lineup - robin_steele264
The Leafs' D had no problem scoring last year.
It was what they did without the puck that was the weak spot.
Ranger over Franson (in theory) helps this.
But hey, if you think Franson is so hot, man up and make us an offer. |
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Garnie
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Dozzer
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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This we can agree on - Deeps27
point is.. he is past the age where you pay him for potential.
you pay him for what he has earned once a guy is past 25.. not what he might be
this isnt a 22 year old d-man, he's 26. |
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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oh man you have no idea.. there were people saying 3.5-4 for kadri - Dozzer
I said 4 for Kadri ....on a 5 or 6 year deal..I was hoping that would happen.
for 2 years...around 3 |
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Garnie
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The Leafs' D had no problem scoring last year.
It was what they did without the puck that was the weak spot.
Ranger over Franson (in theory) helps this.
But hey, if you think Franson is so hot, man up and make us an offer. - Atomic Wedgie
Hall for Franson/Kadri/Reimer
BINGO!!!!!!! |
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Atomic Wedgie
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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Gents/ladies, serious question here.....should my sump pump be empty of water? Or should there always be water in it? I have no clue about this thing. - Fakepartofme
Always a bit.
But if it sits too long, it goes stagnant (stinky) so you have to actually pour some fresh water into it.
I'm learning the ways of the sump pump, too. Had one for under a year now. |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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Leafs are in trouble if the only change to the D is Franson out, Ranger in.
Oh and Kostka or whoever disappearing completely. - robin_steele264
disagree. the leafs need more stability from the back end.. not offense.
and when it comes to stability ranger >>> franson. |
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Wrong... - Fruitcakenipple
Well it was their weak spot last year and it hasn't really been improved.
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Location: Tanktown, ON Joined: 10.08.2008
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ok. but that wasn't the initial point. this was all under the assumption that Franson is worth 3.5 (obviously debatable). - scotch_tape
And that's why they're still negotiating. He hasn't proven he's worth 3.5 yet. He thinks he is, but the team doesn't agree, and obviously nobody else has extended that contract to him. So he needs to suck it up, take the raise they're offering him, prove he's worth more, and enjoy the fact that he's a (frank)ing millionaire. |
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Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON Joined: 02.12.2013
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The Leafs' D had no problem scoring last year.
It was what they did without the puck that was the weak spot.
Ranger over Franson (in theory) helps this.
But hey, if you think Franson is so hot, man up and make us an offer. - Atomic Wedgie
I'd like to see this offer as well. |
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