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derm10
Joined: 09.08.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:30 PM ET
Sam Gagner is a bad comparison any way you look at it! He's never reached 50 points in a full season
- LeftCoaster

what about :
Jiri Tlusty 1,600,000
Pascal Dupuis 3,750,000
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Sep 8 @ 12:30 PM ET
He got stiffed alot . He was the Best Dman in the league last year.
- VANTEL


Maybe...young...cocky mofo...maybe they want to see if his talent is worth the headache in the room.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 8 @ 12:32 PM ET
I think 3/4 year deal makes the most sense, then play it year by year after that. I would not pay them more than what they currently get. I would honestly try and sign them for a 5.5 cap hit, and would consider that reasonable. No need for a Clarkson contract.
- immature_male

They got 6.1 before they BOTH won art ross trophies, why would they take a paycut? If they hit the open market, theyre gonna get 7 years from a bunch of teams.
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:32 PM ET
Maybe...young...cocky mofo...maybe they want to see if his talent is worth the headache in the room.
- Garnie

Ala Phaneuf...atleast the headache part.
derm10
Joined: 09.08.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:33 PM ET
Kadri has approx. 65 pts/GM. Go look at the forwards coming off their entry level deal the last 2 summers with those numbers and I assure you 2.65 is far below average. So why don't you clean that coffee off your screen and think a bit before posting
- Bieksa#3

what does 65pts/gm mean?
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Sep 8 @ 12:34 PM ET
Ala Phaneuf...atleast the headache part.
- whipper334


Yeah...I don't see Phaneuf yelling at people on his bench..Maybe in the dressing room he's a huge Richard...I never been in there
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Sep 8 @ 12:34 PM ET
what does 65pts/gm mean?
- derm10


.65/game

DECIMAL 65
kovey27
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Cornwall, ON
Joined: 06.07.2013

Sep 8 @ 12:34 PM ET
trade them and start a rebuild, cup chances are over with, pass the torch to someone else
As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 8 @ 12:35 PM ET
Subban got stiffed.
- VANTEL


How do you figure? If anything, the Habs did!

So instead of signing PK to a long term deal at $4.5/$5m per, now they're going to have to pay him somewhere in the neighborhood if $7m+ x 8.
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:36 PM ET
Yeah...I don't see Phaneuf yelling at people on his bench..Maybe in the dressing room he's a huge Richard...I never been in there
- Garnie

he is!
derm10
Joined: 09.08.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:37 PM ET
.65/game

DECIMAL 65

- Garnie

when u are looking at player coming off the entry level deals u can;t just look at ppg... u need to look at games played.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:38 PM ET
They got 6.1 before they BOTH won art ross trophies, why would they take a paycut? If they hit the open market, theyre gonna get 7 years from a bunch of teams.
- 13sundin13



Because everyone has an expiry. Back in the days when they signed their contracts they were rewarded justly. There are two of them . This is a unique problem and advantage. They are still top 25 players in the league but because they come as a package deal there needs to be some type of a discount. Otherwise Canucks will have 1/3 of their salary cap on 4 players on the wrong side of thirty. You can't take this as a resigning OV or Crosby. THose players would get their 8 mill, but we are talking 12 -15 mil. That is effin scary to tie up that much cap long term.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:40 PM ET
trade them and start a rebuild, cup chances are over with, pass the torch to someone else
- kovey27



Vancouver does not do good with torches
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:41 PM ET
How do you figure? If anything, the Habs did!

So instead of signing PK to a long term deal at $4.5/$5m per, now they're going to have to pay him somewhere in the neighborhood if $7m+ x 8.

- As_I_See_It



If they gave him a fair contract in the first place we would not be discussing him would we.
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:41 PM ET
Vancouver does not do good with torches
- VANTEL

True story!!!
The Shrike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 11.17.2007

Sep 8 @ 12:42 PM ET
If anything they resign for same money, not more IMO.
- immature_male


Market value would be higher, but I think they'd take the hometown discount at $6.1 million per.

5 Years:

$8,000,000
$8,000,000
$6,000,000
$4,500,000
$4,000,000
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:46 PM ET
Market value would be higher, but I think they'd take the hometown discount at $6.1 million per.

5 Years:

$8,000,000
$8,000,000
$6,000,000
$4,500,000
$4,000,000

- The Shrike

Exactly!
nated81
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ON
Joined: 07.09.2013

Sep 8 @ 12:47 PM ET
Check these numbers from the 2009 draft year:
1. John Tavares 291GP 112G 137A 249 pts $5.5mil cap hit for 6 years
2. Victor Hedman 258GP 16G 73A 89 pts $4mil for 5 years
3. Matt Duchene 266GP 82G 111A 193 PTS $6 mil for 5 years, kicks in next year.
4. Evander Kane 261GP 80G 79A 159 PTS $5.25 for 6 years.
5. Brayden Schenn 110GP 20G 26A 46 PTS $3.11 for 3 years
6. Oliver Eckman-Larson 178GP 17G 50A 67PTS $5.5 for 6 years.
7. Nazem Kadri 99GP 26G 37A 63 PTS and is still an unsigned RFA.

Kadri does not deserve a contract like Tavares, Duchene or Kane at this point in his career. I think something similar to Brayden Schenn is more than fair at this stage of his development.

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:49 PM ET
Check these numbers from the 2009 draft year:
1. John Tavares 291GP 112G 137A 249 pts $5.5mil cap hit for 6 years
2. Victor Hedman 258GP 16G 73A 89 pts $4mil for 5 years
3. Matt Duchene 266GP 82G 111A 193 PTS $6 mil for 5 years, kicks in next year.
4. Evander Kane 261GP 80G 79A 159 PTS $5.25 for 6 years.
5. Brayden Schenn 110GP 20G 26A 46 PTS $3.11 for 3 years
6. Oliver Eckman-Larson 178GP 17G 50A 67PTS $5.5 for 6 years.
7. Nazem Kadri 99GP 26G 37A 63 PTS and is still an unsigned RFA.

Kadri does not deserve a contract like Tavares, Duchene or Kane at this point in his career. I think something similar to Brayden Schenn is more than fair at this stage of his development.

- nated81

Kadri deserves a 2 year 4.5 mil per. Same as Hodgson
derm10
Joined: 09.08.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:54 PM ET
Kadri deserves a 2 year 4.5 mil per. Same as Hodgson
- VANTEL

he hasn;t even played 100 games.. he needs to prove it can last before u pay him....... even in the 100 gp he has had slumps.
nated81
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ON
Joined: 07.09.2013

Sep 8 @ 12:54 PM ET
Kadri deserves a 2 year 4.5 mil per. Same as Hodgson
- VANTEL

How do you figure? One decent half season is not worth $4.5 for 2 years. I say $3.5m at the very most.
Hodgson might be worth a tad more at this point but neither are worth $4.5 for 2 years.
derm10
Joined: 09.08.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:57 PM ET
How do you figure? One decent half season is not worth $4.5 for 2 years. I say $3.5m at the very most.
Hodgson might be worth a tad more at this point but neither are worth $4.5 for 2 years.

- nated81

and that coming from an oilers fan... whose team only pay players for potential not past performance.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:57 PM ET
How do you figure? One decent half season is not worth $4.5 for 2 years. I say $3.5m at the very most.
Hodgson might be worth a tad more at this point but neither are worth $4.5 for 2 years.

- nated81



Because I look at how many games he was a key point in winning and I think he took control and won mostly by himself. Now if you want to lose those 5 or 6 games a year to save a million and miss the playoffs then be my guest.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 8 @ 12:58 PM ET
and that coming from an oilers fan... whose team only pay players for potential not past performance.
- derm10


Bingo
nated81
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ON
Joined: 07.09.2013

Sep 8 @ 1:00 PM ET
and that coming from an oilers fan... whose team only pay players for potential not past performance.
- derm10

So I guess the stats I put up must mean nothing if I am an Oilers fan then.
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