That's not good cap management. I'd love to be able to reward certain players for leaving some money on the table on their previous contracts, but unfortunately in a cap structured league that's not a luxury teams have, unless they want to hurt themselves in the process. In all honesty we should all be advocating for a reduction in cap hit.
- AlexF

It was purely in rebuttal to his comment that a few fans on here have said they wouldn't take the Sedins at similar to their current salaries.

It doesn't really matter what we as fans advocate.

Obviously I want them to sign for as low as possible in order to help the team.

Looking at current contracts around the league, the Sedins are worth more than what they are currently making.

When I see boneheaded comments that the Sedins are only worth $4.5 million, I think that's a slight on their abilities and how important they are to the Canucks, so I'll respond to that as I see fit.

Good idea... I would pass...too soft, IMO
- JR1973

I'd normally be considering a witty comeback but for someone who lives in Fort Wayne the joke sort of writes itself.

It was purely in rebuttal to his comment that a few fans on here have said they wouldn't take the Sedins at similar to their current salaries.

It doesn't really matter what we as fans advocate.

Obviously I want them to sign for as low as possible in order to help the team.

Looking at current contracts around the league, the Sedins are worth more than what they are currently making.

When I see boneheaded comments that the Sedins are only worth $4.5 million, I think that's a slight on their abilities and how important they are to the Canucks, so I'll respond to that as I see fit.
- Fosco

Yeah but that is why I respond to bone head comments of pay two declining players 7 mil .

Yeah but that is why I respond to bone head comments of pay two declining players 7 mil .
- VANTEL

Who's saying pay them $7 million?

Seriously.

Weren't you accusing someone else of "over dramatizing" earlier.

It was purely in rebuttal to his comment that a few fans on here have said they wouldn't take the Sedins at similar to their current salaries.

It doesn't really matter what we as fans advocate.

Obviously I want them to sign for as low as possible in order to help the team.

Looking at current contracts around the league, the Sedins are worth more than what they are currently making.

When I see boneheaded comments that the Sedins are only worth $4.5 million, I think that's a slight on their abilities and how important they are to the Canucks, so I'll respond to that as I see fit.
- Fosco

I just had a look at the Hawks. Kane and Toews are on $6.3m each in their primes. I don't think the Sedins are worth more than them at 32 and with their production in decline.

I just had a look at the Hawks. Kane and Toews are on $6.3m each in their primes. I don't think the Sedins are worth more than them at 32 and with their production in decline.
- AlexF

Those deals were signed two years ago as RFA contracts...

If they were pending UFAs they'd be looking at the $8million range.

And those two likely haven't even hit their primes. Or at the very least, have just entered them.

Those deals were signed two years ago as RFA contracts...

If they were pending UFAs they'd be looking at the $8million range.
- Fosco

That's not a fact. We've seen a number of cases where players will sign on to cap friendly deals because they like the city, team, want to help, aren't greedy, whatever.

EDIT: Toews and Kane may fall into that bucket. I feel the Sedins fall into that bucket. They also had the added leverage of being top liners on a cup winning team.

Bottom line is that I do believe the Sedins will be in the 70 pt range and don't believe that is worth more than their current $6.1m.

That's not a fact. We've seen a number of cases where players will sign on to cap friendly deals because they like the city, team, want to help, aren't greedy, whatever. I feel the Sedins fall into that bucket. If they went out to the highest bidder as UFAs I might agree, but considering they come as a pair $8m each is also unlikely.
- AlexF

I'm not taking into account home town discounts.

I'm strictly speaking worth.

I also didn't say the Sedins are worth $8 million.

I said your comparables in Toews and Kane are poor because their contracts were signed directly after their ELC when they were RFAs.

They would be in the Staal, Nash, Gaborik, Stamkos ($7.5-8 million) range if they were to re-sign now, or hit UFA.

That's not a fact. We've seen a number of cases where players will sign on to cap friendly deals because they like the city, team, want to help, aren't greedy, whatever. I feel the Sedins fall into that bucket. If they went out to the highest bidder as UFAs I might agree, but considering they come as a pair $8m each is also unlikely.
- AlexF

Seriously? The Sedins have out produced Getzlaf and Perry easily over the last 4 years. Won more personal trophies but only a couple years older. Getzlaf and Perry signed for an average of 8.3 mill roughly in a city they like. If the Sedins take anything less than 7 per over 5 years Van is getting a huge discount. A 5 year deal takes them to about the same age. You're looking at the wrong comparables in my opinion.

I'm not taking into account home town discounts.

I'm strictly speaking worth.

I also didn't say the Sedins are worth $8 million.

I said your comparables in Toews and Kane are poor because their contracts were signed directly after their ELC when they were RFAs.

They would be in the Staal, Nash, Gaborik, Stamkos ($7.5-8 million) range if they were to re-sign now, or hit UFA.
- Fosco

I rephrased my response after I re=read your post. Sorry for the confusion. But again, I don't see the Sedins getting the same as any of those guys, who come as single salaries and are (except for Gaborik) in their primes. It's clear the Sedins no longer are.

Seriously? The Sedins have out produced Getzlaf and Perry easily over the last 4 years. Won more personal trophies but only a couple years older. Getzlaf and Perry signed for an average of 8.3 mill roughly in a city they like. If the Sedins take anything less than 7 per over 5 years Van is getting a huge discount. A 5 year deal takes them to about the same age. You're looking at the wrong comparables in my opinion.
- DBLiuzzi

Again, you're argument is based on what they achieved in the past not what they'll likely achieve in the future, where their new salary will be paying them. They're on the decline. You simply don't raise salaries for declining production.

I rephrased my response after I re=read your post. Sorry for the confusion. But again, I don't see the Sedins getting the same as any of those guys, who come as single salaries and are (except for Gaborik) in their primes. It's clear the Sedins no longer are.
- AlexF

Again, I never said the Sedins will get that amount.

I said Toews and Kane would if they were UFAs or were to re-sign now.

Which is why their $6.3 million contracts are poor comparisons to the Sedins.

I think the Sedins are worth slightly more than they are making now.

They were underpaid on their previous/current contract.

Again, I never said the Sedins will get that amount.

I said Toews and Kane would if they were UFAs or were to re-sign now.

Which is why their $6.3 million contracts are poor comparisons to the Sedins.

I think the Sedins are worth slightly more than they are making now.

They were underpaid on their previous/current contract.
- Fosco

I agree they were underpaid in their previous contract. But I do believe the Sedins will be in the 70 pt range over the nest couple seasons and don't believe that is worth more than their current $6.1m. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I think one thing people seem to ignore or not factor in, is that the Sedins also have a very high entertainment value. There aren't too many players that I enjoy watching more, and that can work their magic on a regular basis. 'There have been many times I just had to shake my head after watching the Sedins set-up/score a goal. I realize it's not a pure hockey issue, but something to consider. Look at how crazy ticket sales get when Crosby, Ovechkin etc are in town (and no, not comparing them to the Sedins but noting it's the same sort of dynamic involved).

I think Vancouver fans have been spoiled over the years and don't seem to appreciate that aspect of things as much as they should.

That's the year I was born .I took over
- VANTEL

See, we're screwed.

I agree they were underpaid in their previous contract. But I do believe the Sedins will be in the 70 pt range over the nest couple seasons and don't believe that is worth more than their current $6.1m. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
- AlexF

That's fair. I still think they're worth slightly more than that.

Look at some of the other players around the league making $6.1ish, or what some other players who put up 70 points a season are making.

You walked into a conversation where someone was arguing that the Sedins are only worth $4.5 million a season, and then proposed that Kadri and Hodgson are also worth $4.5 million a season.

That to me is ridiculous and insulting to the Sedins.


Oh, and FYI, the Sedins even strength production was not in decline.

It was nearly the same as it was in their respective Art Ross seasons.

Fix or even just improve the PP, and the Sedins are back up to over a point/game.

Again, you're argument is based on what they achieved in the past not what they'll likely achieve in the future, where their new salary will be paying them. They're on the decline. You simply don't raise salaries for declining production.
- AlexF

Thats a false assumption. Everyone's contracts are based on their past production and what they're expected to produce in the future. Even if they declined as much as you would have us believe they still out produced Getzlaf/Perry who are in their primes. If you think Getzlaf and Perry will produce at the same rate at the end of their contracts you'd likely be wrong. Yet they still got 8 mill+.

I think one thing people seem to ignore or not factor in, is that the Sedins also have a very high entertainment value. There aren't too many players that I enjoy watching more, and that can work their magic on a regular basis. 'There have been many times I just had to shake my head after watching the Sedins set-up/score a goal. I realize it's not a pure hockey issue, but something to consider. Look at how crazy ticket sales get when Crosby, Ovechkin etc are in town (and no, not comparing them to the Sedins but noting it's the same sort of dynamic involved).
- Zogg

I agree with you. Love watching them work their magic in the offensive zone.

But there are a few on here that really dislike that style and find it boring.

That's fair, to each their own, but that's still no reason to undervalue their worth, or low ball them to the point they walk, without having viable options to replace their production.

?? how ??

his last 15 games he scores 7 points and has 4 of them in a good game against Ottawa...he for sure slowed down and is not worth anywhere near $6m/per

He might be after another couple seasons if he puts up .7 or .8 / game

But not right now, hence the reason he is about to sign a 1 or 2 year deal @ $3m

At least that's what I thought I seen on here or Tsn
- Garnie

I didn't say he was worth $6M. I said you're not giving him enough credit for the season he had. Yes, he slowed down a bit in the last few weeks but to say he was just "ok" for 20 games leads me to believe you're either stupid or incredibly biased. There were big chunks of the season when he was one of, if not the best forward the Leafs had. Yes, he has to prove it again before he's really earned a big pay day, but he wasn't just "ok".

Kadri deserves a 2 year 4.5 mil per. Same as Hodgson
- VANTEL

Agreed. .65 pts/game. Look at what guys on their entry level deal signed for with these numbers. I bet 4.5 is the average.

I think one thing people seem to ignore or not factor in, is that the Sedins also have a very high entertainment value. There aren't too many players that I enjoy watching more, and that can work their magic on a regular basis. 'There have been many times I just had to shake my head after watching the Sedins set-up/score a goal. I realize it's not a pure hockey issue, but something to consider. Look at how crazy ticket sales get when Crosby, Ovechkin etc are in town (and no, not comparing them to the Sedins but noting it's the same sort of dynamic involved).
- Zogg

I agree, but sometimes they just take to much time, I'm at an age that I can't wait for the Sedins to score no matter how entertaining the set up is, because I have to pee.

I agree, but sometimes they just take to much time, I'm at an age that I can't wait for the Sedins to score no matter how entertaining the set up is, because I have to pee.
- A_SteamingLombardi

just wear a diaper?

Sounds like no Horvat, Shinkaruk or Subban in tonights game

Gaunce back in. Corrado and Franson remain in...

Not sure where you're getting your size numbers from.

Burrows came to camp at 6'1" 196 last season. Not huge, but also not small.

And has never been abused by Marchand.
- Fosco

If one player from a certain team is abused by a player. It means everybody can get abused by him. He explained himself earlier.

I agree with you. Love watching them work their magic in the offensive zone.

But there are a few on here that really dislike that style and find it boring.

That's fair, to each their own, but that's still no reason to undervalue their worth, or low ball them to the point they walk, without having viable options to replace their production.
- Fosco

Who are these people?

I agree with your comments. I understand that some people think the Canucks should move in a different direction. However, precisely who can the Canucks get that will replace what the Sedins bring to the table?