I'm not sure anyone cares about wins and losses. It's about individual performance like you said. Competitiveness and will to win should be showcased by the individual for sure, but winning this tourney is meaningless.
- Jeropotato

Bragging rights?

I'm not sure anyone cares about wins and losses. It's about individual performance like you said. Competitiveness and will to win should be showcased by the individual for sure, but winning this tourney is meaningless.
- Jeropotato

Exactly, Esplen is off the mark on this one. This is essentially a gathering of fans who just want to see what the future of their team looks like first hand. I could care less who wins the tournament. However I am looking forward to seeing each team play. September Hockey, nice weather, great fans is what this is all about.

If they trade them the Canucks won't be able to re-tool on the fly. I think it's too risky unless they want a full rebuild.
- Jeropotato

Trading them is far too difficult (not impossible, but...). It's simple math (on top of the fact that it just makes zero sense).

Their combined cap hit is $12.2M. The salary cap this year is $64.3M. According to CapGeek only 12 teams have more than $2.8M in cap space and only 5 teams currently have more than $7.7M in cap space. Of the 12, only 4 even made the playoffs last season and only one won a round (Ottawa). Not many contenders have much cap space and there's no way the Sedins are being traded to anyone other than a contender.

Think of the package Gillis would want in return for the Sedins at the trade deadline. Now what would that package be if he ALSO had to take back a big contract (even if it was just for the rest of this season) just to make the cap hits work?

To compare, Iginla was traded for a 1st rd pick and 2 good prospects. How much more would a team need to offer to acquire one of the Sedins? Keep in mind they're still top 10 scorers (well, 4 pts out of the top 10 in last year's bastardization of a season anyways). Now multiply that by 2 (there is no bulk discount). Now add more assets to cover the Canucks being forced to take back some salary in return.

What team is going to be ABLE to meet the asking price? What team would be WILLING to meet the asking price? I can't think of one. It isn't going to happen. I'm sure the Vancouver media will keep bringing it up until their extensions are signed though.

Exactly, Esplen is off the mark on this one. This is essentially a gathering of fans who just want to see what the future of their team looks like first hand. I could care less who wins the tournament. However I am looking forward to seeing each team play. September Hockey, nice weather, great fans is what this is all about.
- VanHockeyGuy

Seeing how only maybe 4-5 players per team will ever make the NHL it is more about seeing individuals. So I agree . I remember a few years ago everyone was excited we got this kid named Rodin and Sauve. A lot of whoop over nothing.

Trading them is far too difficult (not impossible, but...). It's simple math (on top of the fact that it just makes zero sense).

Their combined cap hit is $12.2M. The salary cap this year is $64.3M. According to CapGeek only 12 teams have more than $2.8M in cap space and only 5 teams currently have more than $7.7M in cap space. Of the 12, only 4 even made the playoffs last season and only one won a round (Ottawa). Not many contenders have much cap space and there's no way the Sedins are being traded to anyone other than a contender.

Think of the package Gillis would want in return for the Sedins at the trade deadline. Now what would that package be if he ALSO had to take back a big contract (even if it was just for the rest of this season) just to make the cap hits work?

To compare, Iginla was traded for a 1st rd pick and 2 good prospects. How much more would a team need to offer to acquire one of the Sedins? Keep in mind they're still top 10 scorers (well, 4 pts out of the top 10 in last year's bastardization of a season anyways). Now multiply that by 2 (there is no bulk discount). Now add more assets to cover the Canucks being forced to take back some salary in return.

What team is going to be ABLE to meet the asking price? What team would be WILLING to meet the asking price? I can't think of one. It isn't going to happen. I'm sure the Vancouver media will keep bringing it up until their extensions are signed though.
- KB3Point0

Because there are two it makes things really difficult. Some suggested 7 mil for 4 years. I am not worried about year one and two ,it is year three and four . You could be paying 14 mil for second liners.

You hit the nail right on the head about not many teams would take on or be able to take on 12-14 mil in salary, so there is no need to offer that from the Canucks. If it was one player 6 mil is fine but double it because they are inseperable. I think 5 mil each for 2-3 years,

Whatever happened to one year at a time like Hank suggested.

Thin......very thin!!!
- PrinceLH

The only thing thin here : is T.O. Leaf's chances of going beyond the first round in this years playoffs (I am giving the Leafs huge kudos just to make the playoffs). Seriously, what team can you easily say can garner one Stanley Cup appearance and two League President's trophies in 3 years and still begin the restocking of big time talents like the Canuck's have without missing the playoffs?


The Leafs have done it the traditional way - they sucked! probably they are still not out of the woods either.


By the way Ian: great write up this time!

Shinkaruk is gonna light it up!!!

Shinkaruk is gonna light it up!!!
- LeftCoaster

Doobies? Do theyy still call them that

Doobies? Do theyy still call them that
- VANTEL

not sure, ask some of the other boys.

Doobies? Do theyy still call them that
- VANTEL

I think so

Because there are two it makes things really difficult. Some suggested 7 mil for 4 years. I am not worried about year one and two ,it is year three and four . You could be paying 14 mil for second liners.

You hit the nail right on the head about not many teams would take on or be able to take on 12-14 mil in salary, so there is no need to offer that from the Canucks. If it was one player 6 mil is fine but double it because they are inseperable. I think 5 mil each for 2-3 years,

Whatever happened to one year at a time like Hank suggested.
- VANTEL

Daniel also suggested that they'd be better served going with one year contracts from now on. Maybe the Canucks are scared the league will go after them for salary cap circumvention if they do, the way they changed the rules on them after they signed Luongo's contract.

Teams will be able to offer the Sedins contracts in the off season. A few will have the space, a few will be able to make the space if they were able to sign them. As an example, the Blues could sign the Sedins and make the necessary cap space by acquiring assets for the players they'll be replacing. During the season is a different story, it is close to impossible in season.

The Canucks would have two massive holes to fill if they left. Any team that would potentially bring them on would fill two big holes by adding them. They deserve to be paid as two elite players, which they are. There shouldn't be a discount just because there's two of them. The only discount should be if they decide they're willing to take less in order to offer the team a better chance at winning. Look at the Suter and Parise signing(s) last season. Two players, package deal, zero discount (quite the opposite actually, they took as much as they possibly could have prior to the rules changing weeks later) but they fill two positions and two holes in a roster, which is the same for the Sedins.

Daniel also suggested that they'd be better served going with one year contracts from now on. Maybe the Canucks are scared the league will go after them for salary cap circumvention if they do, the way they changed the rules on them after they signed Luongo's contract.

Teams will be able to offer the Sedins contracts in the off season. A few will have the space, a few will be able to make the space if they were able to sign them. As an example, the Blues could sign the Sedins and make the necessary cap space by acquiring assets for the players they'll be replacing. During the season is a different story, it is close to impossible in season.

The Canucks would have two massive holes to fill if they left. Any team that would potentially bring them on would fill two big holes by adding them. They deserve to be paid as two elite players, which they are. There shouldn't be a discount just because there's two of them. The only discount should be if they decide they're willing to take less in order to offer the team a better chance at winning. Look at the Suter and Parise signing(s) last season. Two players, package deal, zero discount (quite the opposite actually, they took as much as they possibly could have prior to the rules changing weeks later) but they fill two positions and two holes in a roster, which is the same for the Sedins.
- KB3Point0

Those contracts will bite the wild in the ass in a couple of years. Secondly Parise and Suter are not 33 years old

Doobies? Do theyy still call them that
- VANTEL

Yes. They are still called doobies, at least in my world they are.

Those contracts will bite the wild in the ass in a couple of years. Secondly Parise and Suter are not 33 years old
- VANTEL

Those contracts absolutely will bite them in the ass.

No the Sedins aren't 33, just saying that they don't need to give a discount just because there are two of them. The fact that there are two of them means they fill two spots. They shouldn't be asked to take a discount because they're related. That's just wishful thinking.

not sure, ask some of the other boys.
- LeftCoaster

You called?

Trading them is far too difficult (not impossible, but...). It's simple math (on top of the fact that it just makes zero sense).

Their combined cap hit is $12.2M. The salary cap this year is $64.3M. According to CapGeek only 12 teams have more than $2.8M in cap space and only 5 teams currently have more than $7.7M in cap space. Of the 12, only 4 even made the playoffs last season and only one won a round (Ottawa). Not many contenders have much cap space and there's no way the Sedins are being traded to anyone other than a contender.

Think of the package Gillis would want in return for the Sedins at the trade deadline. Now what would that package be if he ALSO had to take back a big contract (even if it was just for the rest of this season) just to make the cap hits work?

To compare, Iginla was traded for a 1st rd pick and 2 good prospects. How much more would a team need to offer to acquire one of the Sedins? Keep in mind they're still top 10 scorers (well, 4 pts out of the top 10 in last year's bastardization of a season anyways). Now multiply that by 2 (there is no bulk discount). Now add more assets to cover the Canucks being forced to take back some salary in return.

What team is going to be ABLE to meet the asking price? What team would be WILLING to meet the asking price? I can't think of one. It isn't going to happen. I'm sure the Vancouver media will keep bringing it up until their extensions are signed though.
- KB3Point0

I don't like the Iggy comparison at all.

One- the twins play a much less demanding style of hockey, so 33 isn't as old for them as it would be other players.

Two- Vancouver is a much different team in terms of where they will be in the standings. The Flames flat out sucked and had to move Iggy to get him into the playoffs. When you're at that point you take what you can get for him.

Vancouver is going to make the playoffs next season and will likely be close to the top of the West. Why would a team that is I'll guess 5-10 points out of first place give their top two scorers away for nothing. Personally, I'd rather take another run with the twins than trade them for nothing.

I don't like the Iggy comparison at all.

One- the twins play a much less demanding style of hockey, so 33 isn't as old for them as it would be other players.

Two- Vancouver is a much different team in terms of where they will be in the standings. The Flames flat out sucked and had to move Iggy to get him into the playoffs. When you're at that point you take what you can get for him.

Vancouver is going to make the playoffs next season and will likely be close to the top of the West. Why would a team that is I'll guess 5-10 points out of first place give their top two scorers away for nothing. Personally, I'd rather take another run with the twins than trade them for nothing.
- IanEsplen

I only used the Iggy comparison because Calgary got a lot for him and I think that each Sedin is worth a whole lot more to a team than what Iggy could offer last year. Who could fit them under the cap and has enough assets to make it worth the Canucks' while? Nobody.

You nailed it with your blog on Pietrangelo and Stewart. That's likely what Gillis would want. The Blues would say no and that's about as far as trade talks for the Sedins would get.

The fact that Vancouver is still a contender and has zero interest in trading the Sedins (and they likely have no interest in going anywhere else) is just a different point.

Nah the Flames prospects got this...said no one ever.

You called?
- bloatedmosquito

you might be better equipped to answer that question.

Yes. They are still called doobies, at least in my world they are.
- Marwood

SPLIFF

Why is Joseph Labate not at this tourney?

SPLIFF
- A_SteamingLombardi

Hash & weed rolled together.

Hash & weed rolled together.
- Marwood

Why is Joseph Labate not at this tourney?
- LeftCoaster

College players can't play or they lose their eligibility

- A_SteamingLombardi

We`ll need plenty of them this season.