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OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Aug 16 @ 6:39 AM ET
Mackinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, Johnson & Varlamov


Surely not top 5 but would say in between 10-15 for sure.

- koarik91


One who has not even played a game, another who is not even close to living up to the hype and an average one.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Aug 16 @ 7:40 AM ET
Wouldn't have Edler nor Bieksa in my top 5 Canucks. I'd put Burrows or Hansen
- JameyVinnick


Oh how the mighty have fallen if Hansen is a top 5 player on your team. Burrows is a solid argument though.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 7:51 AM ET
That is actually a pretty good and thoughtful blog.

After doing the bottom 15, you might want to review the top 6 (starters) on each team, noting the strength and weaknesses. It might be a good indication of likely team performance.

So, for example a team like the Flyers might drop to the bottom third if they had to include Dmen and a goalie. A team like the Rangers should move up because of their overall representation.
ShayneCorsi
Location: Teedot
Joined: 07.09.2012

Aug 16 @ 8:06 AM ET
Nice post Clouts.
Is this an analysis on who's top five is the most productive or the most valuable to the team. There other intangibles we could add such as leadership and defensive responsibilty.
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007

Aug 16 @ 8:40 AM ET
Nice post Clouts.
Is this an analysis on who's top five is the most productive or the most valuable to the team. There other intangibles we could add such as leadership and defensive responsibilty.

- Captain_Quiffe

I think it's an analysis of who the top 5 players are on each team. Try not to over-analyze the analysis made in a silly team analysis blog
pbrsimps
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2011

Aug 16 @ 8:49 AM ET
Actually decent blog Clouts.
For the caps, instead of johansson, you should include holtby. Holtby is quietly becoming an elite goalie who steps up in big games imo.
For the ducks, drop a goalie and include beachimen. He was i think top 5 in norris voting last year. Sure he probs wont do that again, but hes still a solid dman.
pbrsimps
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:01 AM ET
Edmontons top 5 of Shultz, yakupov, hall, eberle, rnh average age is only 21.4 that's crazy.
- Snagglepuss


Would you put Schultz ahead of Petry att his point? I wouldnt. Petry is a pretty underrated dman and is a real complete player.
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Aug 16 @ 9:01 AM ET
i'd say the same about being an oilers or leafs fan... I've been watching my team do well in the past 8 years...yourself? no? its not as if the oilers have magically turned into a great team yet either...
- annoyance_101


leafs have 3x more playoff wins compared to the canucks over the past 2 years, and they didn't even make it 2 years ago. Nucks are kinda like the sharks, great regular season team but not likely to get past the 1st round anytime soon.
pbrsimps
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:05 AM ET
As a canucks fan i have to say you're clearly just trolling, edler is not better than letang...and carlson are you (frank)ing kidding me? he's also btter than yandle and OEL...the only ones that may be on par with letang on that list is weber, keith, chara, and its seabrook, before saying someone else doesnt know anything about hockey you should look in the mirror, you dont even know how to spell the players name...
- annoyance_101


Nah I would go with
Weber
Keith
Suter
Chara
Karlsson

Pietrangelo (after this season probs)
OEL ^see above
Yandle comes close
The bolded is my top 5 though.

Edit: I forgot Doughty, I would take him before Letang as well
Njuice
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:06 AM ET
So glad you didn't put the Oilers high on this list. Kids are kids and it's nice that Richard is acknowledging that fact. They need time to become elite. Oilers fans delude themsevles into thinking all high draft picks are immediately NHL ready and elite. Example. How is Drouin from Tampa on this list. Sure he has talent but he's an 18? year old midget who's never even played an NHL game. Remember how awesome Kadri was in junior? It took him another 4 seasons before he was truly NHL ready. Drouin will need time before he is elite. And btw Nurse(who will be great and was the perfect draft pick for the Oil) shouldn't be in the NHL for at least three seasons.

Clout's once said that the Leafs could trade Franson because they have Morgan Rielly who is ready for the NHL. WRONG! Only teams who WANT to lose bring in rookies before they are ready.(see the gutless, cheating Oilers over the past three seasons)
SPIDEROCKSTAR
Seattle Kraken
Location: 🚺 à la toilette des filles, QC
Joined: 08.08.2010

Aug 16 @ 9:13 AM ET
Yep his 5 goals this year were mighty impressive, ranking 31st in the league. He racks up point playing with two of the top 3 forwards in the world.
- tomburton99

How come rest of Pens D didn't have point per game while playing with Crosby and Malkin? When Letang was out of line-up, Pens couldn't win even with Malkin and Crosby playing.
Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:19 AM ET
Congrats...you have proven you know nothing about hockey.
- PoileRulezzzYo


That so? Well I'm glad you were able to glean so much information from a single comment. For your information I know plenty about hockey, it's the one played with croquet mallets right?
WaterBoy
Location: The opposite of what Pat says, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Aug 16 @ 9:21 AM ET
Where are the Oilers ?
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Aug 16 @ 9:39 AM ET
How come rest of Pens D didn't have point per game while playing with Crosby and Malkin? When Letang was out of line-up, Pens couldn't win even with Malkin and Crosby playing.
- SPIDEROCKSTAR


We wonder the same thing.

But according to some fans with Crosby and Malkin playing, everyone on the team should be a Point Per Game player, including Fleury and Vokoun.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:48 AM ET
We wonder the same thing.

But according to some fans with Crosby and Malkin playing, everyone on the team should be a Point Per Game player, including Fleury and Vokoun.

- Ben37

Haha. Not gonna lie though, those two players make other players almost point-per-game-players... This is no knock on Kunitz, but does anyone really believe he'd put up similar numbers not playing with Sid? Crosby and Malkin are just that good.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Aug 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
Haha. Not gonna lie though, those two players make other players almost point-per-game-players... This is no knock on Kunitz, but does anyone really believe he'd put up similar numbers not playing with Sid? Crosby and Malkin are just that good.
- Flyers_V88


Oh they definitely improve whoever plays with them. One most teams though Kunitz would still be a Top 6 player. If there is this much debate over TJ Oshie, then Kunitz would have to be considered, seeing how he is what Oshie will basically turn into if he pulls it together.
GWnorth
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The North, AB
Joined: 02.14.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:04 AM ET
1 Elite as (frank) player, 1 really good dude, 1 kid with a bad shoulder, a 19 yr old that wasn't even a 60 goal scorer and some kid from college.

Worst top5 scrubs ever

- DTF69


I understand your a troll . . . but that's still the dumbest statement on here, well done.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Aug 16 @ 10:11 AM ET
Oh they definitely improve whoever plays with them. One most teams though Kunitz would still be a Top 6 player. If there is this much debate over TJ Oshie, then Kunitz would have to be considered, seeing how he is what Oshie will basically turn into if he pulls it together.
- Ben37

On most teams yeah, he is top-6.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:13 AM ET
Giroux out 6 weeks.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...f-has-finger-surgery.html
BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:14 AM ET
Well that's because he's part of one of the better Oilers highlights in recent memory.
- tomburton99


I was t that game!!! place went nuts!!!

and then they lost in OT...
BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:19 AM ET
No, I have deadline tomorrow for one of the newspapers I write for. Just finished a big long story about an environmental group concerned about oil sands development. Now I am moving on to writing a piece about a provincial initiative to increase the number of female candidates in the next municipal election.
- Maxbone


Cool! Did you happen to ask them if they drive cars or use plastic?

I hypocrites

BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:23 AM ET
Kessel Lupul Phaneuf Reimer Kadri

Well....it's better than
Stajan Andropov Ponikarovski Kubina Kaberle
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:24 AM ET
Cool! Did you happen to ask them if they drive cars or use plastic?

I hypocrites

- BigDre


Please don't get this thread going on "climate change" arguments again....
BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:25 AM ET
Please don't get this thread going on "climate change" arguments again....
- Iggysbff


Fair enough
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:25 AM ET
Kessel Lupul Phaneuf Reimer Kadri

Well....it's better than
Stajan Andropov Ponikarovski Kubina Kaberle

- BestRapperAlive


You put in Reimer instead of jesus Bernier? Interesting....And Kadri wont be in your starting line up in October....
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