jugkope
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Location: Possibly at the Zoo Joined: 07.19.2009
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Somebody needs a soother. - AdamFrench
Apparently your opinion is invalid. |
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evil_abed
Montreal Canadiens |
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Somebody needs a soother. - AdamFrench
 Might take a bit more than that. |
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muffin_man
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Adam French: Top-10 Prospects : Canadiens (6-10) - AdamFrench
I think it's sad that our top 10 is almost exclusively people drafted in the past couple of years that we have no idea how they will develop. It's like everyone we have for more than a couple of years, we already know they suck... |
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muffin_man
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Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY Joined: 02.10.2007
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Jaciems
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I think it's sad that our top 10 is almost exclusively people drafted in the past couple of years that we have no idea how they will develop. It's like everyone we have for more than a couple of years, we already know they suck... - muffin_man
Ya because the list is based mostly on potential and guys drafted 5 years ago are either on the team, fringe NHLers at this point (Pateryn, Dumont, Leblanc) or busts... |
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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Won't argue with these guys, just think Hudon should have been replaced with De La Rose but apart from the order I think the top 10 is right on. |
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muffin_man
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Ya because the list is based mostly on potential and guys drafted 5 years ago are either on the team, fringe NHLers at this point (Pateryn, Dumont, Leblanc) or busts...  - Jaciems
Except the top 2 are older than 2 years and actually developed. You really think that in 3 years, 5th rounders will be top prospects still??? |
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Adam French
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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Except the top 2 are older than 2 years and actually developed. You really think that in 3 years, 5th rounders will be top prospects still??? - muffin_man
Probably not. You'll have new first round picks and such hopefully replacing them. |
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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I think it's sad that our top 10 is almost exclusively people drafted in the past couple of years that we have no idea how they will develop. It's like everyone we have for more than a couple of years, we already know they suck... - muffin_man
Is it because kids like Gallagher, Galchenyuk from past couple of years and then Pacioretty, Subban, from 5 years ago are already in the league? I mean Joe Colborne makes the list for Toronto but was drafted a year ahead of Subban and Pacioretty. Habs just have alot of younger players already on the team.
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jugkope
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Location: Possibly at the Zoo Joined: 07.19.2009
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Probably not. You'll have new first round picks and such hopefully replacing them. - AdamFrench
They won't be prospects anymore in a few years |
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jugkope
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Location: Possibly at the Zoo Joined: 07.19.2009
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Is it because kids like Gallagher, Galchenyuk from past couple of years and then Pacioretty, Subban, from 5 years ago are already in the league? I mean Joe Colborne makes the list for Toronto but was drafted a year ahead of Subban and Pacioretty. . - willey101
Youngest team in the league? |
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willey101
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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Youngest team in the league? - jugkope
No, I think we are something like 10th or 11th youngest. But only because of signing guys like Bouillon, Markov, and some of thereally old guys. |
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muffin_man
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Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY Joined: 02.10.2007
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Is it because kids like Gallagher, Galchenyuk from past couple of years and then Pacioretty, Subban, from 5 years ago are already in the league? I mean Joe Colborne makes the list for Toronto but was drafted a year ahead of Subban and Pacioretty. Habs just have alot of younger players already on the team. - willey101
What it means is that, other than Gallagher, none of our "project" picks (like Andrighetto this year) have panned out into anything of note. Those players usually take extra time but, if they work, they move up to near the top of this list the year before they break through.
Any team SHOULD be able to develop 1st rounders. Good teams should be able to develop more than 1 late rounder. |
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jugkope
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Location: Possibly at the Zoo Joined: 07.19.2009
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No, I think we are something like 10th or 11th youngest. But only because of signing guys like Bouillon, Markov, and some of thereally old guys. - willey101
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jugkope
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Location: Possibly at the Zoo Joined: 07.19.2009
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What it means is that, other than Gallagher, none of our "project" picks (like Andrighetto this year) have panned out into anything of note. Those players usually take extra time but, if they work, they move up to near the top of this list the year before they break through.
Any team SHOULD be able to develop 1st rounders. Good teams should be able to develop more than 1 late rounder. - muffin_man
How far back do you go to say this? And are late rounders 4th round + picks?
2003 had Halak
2004 had Grabovski and Streit
2005 had D'Agostini and S. Kostitsyn
2009 had Gabriel Dumont
2010 had Gallagher
Then it's too recent to say for sure.
The 2006 2007 2008 drafts are the problem for late picks. |
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willey101
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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What it means is that, other than Gallagher, none of our "project" picks (like Andrighetto this year) have panned out into anything of note. Those players usually take extra time but, if they work, they move up to near the top of this list the year before they break through.
Any team SHOULD be able to develop 1st rounders. Good teams should be able to develop more than 1 late rounder. - muffin_man
And yet this is not true for any team. Over the past 10 years the Canadiens if I am not mistaken have produced more NHLers than any other team. By NHL I beleive the quota was 100 NHL games played.
The problem is that GM's for this team have traded away or let go of guys like McDonaugh. When you trade away players like Halak, Lapierre, O'Byrne, Streit, Grabovsky, Chipchura, Latendresse, D'Agostini, Kostitsyn, Kristo, etc... for stop gaps or to fill holes then it hurts the organization.
We are not talking superstars here but a team is only as good as the depth it has. |
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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What it means is that, other than Gallagher, none of our "project" picks (like Andrighetto this year) have panned out into anything of note. Those players usually take extra time but, if they work, they move up to near the top of this list the year before they break through.
Any team SHOULD be able to develop 1st rounders. Good teams should be able to develop more than 1 late rounder. - muffin_man
Many around the league consider Kukalainen to have been the best scout in the NHL.
How many first round picks between 2003-2013 have panned out to have huge impacts in the NHL? None of them are 1st line forwards or 1st pairing Dmen except for Pietrangelo. All in the NHL for sure but all 2nd and 3rd line guys.
How many 2nd ropund picks? David Backes and possibly Tarasenko and then a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners.
And then 3rd round or later you have Stempniak, Polak and that's it.
It's a crap shoot with the draft. You are projecting what a 17 year old is going to be 5-10 years later when his body matures.
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DoubleDown
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Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC Joined: 07.28.2006
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I think it's sad that our top 10 is almost exclusively people drafted in the past couple of years that we have no idea how they will develop. It's like everyone we have for more than a couple of years, we already know they suck... - muffin_man
our top 2 prospects are from the 2010/2011 drafts, both just about NHL ready. Ellis was also drafted in 2010. not a ridiculous ratio. and Gallagher, who isn't on this list because he's already an effective NHLer was also drafted in 2010. we also did not have second or third round picks in 2010-2011, and no second rounder in 2009. no first in 2008, and i'm pretty sure Kristo would be on the list had we not given him away for nothing. so take just 2010... despite no 2nd/3rd, we're gonna end up with 2 core players from that draft.
the organization between 2008 and 2011 simply did not value draft picks the same way Bergevin does. i agree it's sad that we missed out on a lot of potential with those traded picks, but overall, i think the drafting itself has been pretty good since the David Fischer debacle in 2006.
it'd be nice to have one or two more 20 year olds ready to make the jump, i agree, but i also don't lament the lack of 22-year-old prospects on the list. |
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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our top 2 prospects are from the 2010/2011 drafts, both just about NHL ready. Ellis was also drafted in 2010. not a ridiculous ratio. and Gallagher, who isn't on this list because he's already an effective NHLer was also drafted in 2010. we also did not have second or third round picks in 2010-2011, and no second rounder in 2009. no first in 2008, and i'm pretty sure Kristo would be on the list had we not given him away for nothing. so take just 2010... despite no 2nd/3rd, we're gonna end up with 2 core players from that draft.
the organization between 2008 and 2011 simply did not value draft picks the same way Bergevin does. i agree it's sad that we missed out on a lot of potential with those traded picks, but overall, i think the drafting itself has been pretty good since the David Fischer debacle in 2006.
it'd be nice to have one or two more 20 year olds ready to make the jump, i agree, but i also don't lament the lack of 22-year-old prospects on the list. - DoubleDown
Well we have Dumont possibly ready right now and I really think Leblanc will have a big bounce back year after that disastrous 2012-13 season filled with injuries. |
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stinger67
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Location: QC Joined: 07.03.2008
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our top 2 prospects are from the 2010/2011 drafts, both just about NHL ready. Ellis was also drafted in 2010. not a ridiculous ratio. and Gallagher, who isn't on this list because he's already an effective NHLer was also drafted in 2010. we also did not have second or third round picks in 2010-2011, and no second rounder in 2009. no first in 2008, and i'm pretty sure Kristo would be on the list had we not given him away for nothing. so take just 2010... despite no 2nd/3rd, we're gonna end up with 2 core players from that draft.
the organization between 2008 and 2011 simply did not value draft picks the same way Bergevin does. i agree it's sad that we missed out on a lot of potential with those traded picks, but overall, i think the drafting itself has been pretty good since the David Fischer debacle in 2006.
it'd be nice to have one or two more 20 year olds ready to make the jump, i agree, but i also don't lament the lack of 22-year-old prospects on the list. - DoubleDown
What I find frustrating in the Kristo trade is that we've been waiting forever for him to be ready to become an adult.
Apparently he wasn't really impressive in the few AHL games he played...I know, that's a small sample. Management must have really been rubbed the wrong way with him, because they told him beforehand that they would be trying to move him at the draft. Didn't happened that day, but just a few days after.
As for Thomas, we'll wait and see. His numbers aren't that bad for a rookie season in the AHL |
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Lahey
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Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB Joined: 03.07.2011
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Good to see you still blogging french |
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DoubleDown
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Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC Joined: 07.28.2006
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How far back do you go to say this? And are late rounders 4th round + picks?
2003 had Halak
2004 had Grabovski and Streit
2005 had D'Agostini and S. Kostitsyn
2009 had Gabriel Dumont
2010 had Gallagher
Then it's too recent to say for sure.
The 2006 2007 2008 drafts are the problem for late picks. - jugkope
2006 was just a brutal draft for Montreal. absolutely wasted first and second rounders. 2007, not great for late picks, but Montreal easily had the best draft given they picked up McDonagh-Pacioretty-Subban on consecutive picks. 2008, yeah, not the greatest, but again, i think Kristo will be a decent NHLer. |
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Adam French
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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Good to see you still blogging french - Lahey
I've been told to stay away from the Habs because I don't know poop. |
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DoubleDown
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Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC Joined: 07.28.2006
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What I find frustrating in the Kristo trade is that we've been waiting forever for him to be ready to become an adult.
Apparently he wasn't really impressive in the few AHL games he played...I know, that's a small sample. Management must have really been rubbed the wrong way with him, because they told him beforehand that they would be trying to move him at the draft. Didn't happened that day, but just a few days after.
As for Thomas, we'll wait and see. His numbers aren't that bad for a rookie season in the AHL - stinger67
i think Christian Thomas is Tom Pyatt 2.0. i don't understand the whole thing. if Kristo didn't want to play here, why did he sign an ELC? why did Montreal bother signing him to the ELC? wouldn't they have gotten compensation for him not signing? |
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Lahey
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Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB Joined: 03.07.2011
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I've been told to stay away from the Habs because I don't know poop.  - AdamFrench
Well that's because they are French and you blogged in Russian. |
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