It doesn't like it makes sense geographically, but consider this map (it was made before the divisions were named so don't mind that),


The distance they'd go to play the midwest teams is very close to the distance they go now to play the teams in the north east.
- JAKEw1234

You should keep in mind that the reason Detroit was so set on returning to the Eastern Conference was as much about TV times as it was about travel. Tampa, who has less of a following, would take it on the chin ten fold with what you're suggesting.

If it doesn't directly reduce his compensation, then why not?
- Feanor

Because he has people he has to answer to. And those are the people that pay him.

I'm not exactly sure, how this works, so please tell me if I'm wrong.

The NHL makes $XXX in revenue and has 30 teams. In a basic sense, they take that revenue, divide it by 30, and that is the cap.

So, if they remove the lowest revenue-producing teams, the overall revenue goes down, but the amount of teams to spread it to also goes down, which would lead to a net increase in the cap.

Is that anywhere near right?
- jmatchett383

Think about what you wrote. That would result in 100% of Revenue going to the players.

It's more complicated then that. There are factors such as player benefits are taken out. If the NHLPA will apply the 5% inflator, etc.

You should keep in mind that the reason Detroit was so set on returning to the Eastern Conference was as much about TV times as it was about travel. Tampa, who has less of a following, would take it on the chin ten fold with what you're suggesting.
- mayorofangrytown

To move the TV times back an hour would decimate them? If the league took some care in scheduling their so the times are appropriate, it would be fine. That's just me saying things though First they'd have to do the 4 other things I listed

To move the TV times back an hour would decimate them? If the league took some care in scheduling their so the times are appropriate, it would be fine. That's just me saying things though First they'd have to do the 4 other things I listed
- JAKEw1234

It's the amount of 9 and 10 games as well as the 8s. It was enough of a detriment that a successful club like the Red Wings objected.

It's the amount of 9 and 10 games as well as the 8s. It was enough of a detriment that a successful club like the Red Wings objected.
- mayorofangrytown

You're probably right. Just an idea. Rumors are rampant of Seattle, Quebec, or Markham getting a team. Portland factually almost just got a team this year. This is just more of an ideal theoretical that would allow all 4 to get teams.

I don't think he was as bad in the playoffs as Iginla...I was really surprised/disappointed at how badly he played, because I have always been an Iggy fan.
- Jsaquella

eh, he was pretty brutal. and yes so was iggy, although not to totally beat a dead horse but he was totally misused. he looked pretty damn good on the point on the powerplay, but was taken off. and he never got much time with crosby, with whom he looked pretty darn good. instead, he was placed with malkin and neal, which was a line which had too many people wanting to do the same role. horrible management of assets

It doesn't like it makes sense geographically, but consider this map (it was made before the divisions were named so don't mind that),


The distance they'd go to play the midwest teams is very close to the distance they go now to play the teams in the north east.
- JAKEw1234

why are there 2 hockey teams in florida?

why are there 2 hockey teams in florida?
- 2Real

Because Florida has 2 hockey teams?

It doesn't like it makes sense geographically, but consider this map (it was made before the divisions were named so don't mind that),


The distance they'd go to play the midwest teams is very close to the distance they go now to play the teams in the north east.
- JAKEw1234

Makes even more sense for Columbus or even Pittsburgh to play in the West.

Think about what you wrote. That would result in 100% of Revenue going to the players.

It's more complicated then that. There are factors such as player benefits are taken out. If the NHLPA will apply the 5% inflator, etc.
- MJL

I said in a basic sense. Divide that by 2 and it's 50% players, 50% owners.

All I was asking is, is that (in a sense) how it works? If there are less teams, but a higher revenue per team average, would the cap go up?

To use easy numbers, let's say 20 teams make twice as much revenue as the other 10 teams.
If they eliminate those 10 teams, then the total revenue goes down, but the revenue per team increases. Would that result in a higher salary cap?

Makes even more sense for Columbus or even Pittsburgh to play in the West.
- jmatchett383

It would pretty drastically increase travel distances for Columbus (Let's be honest, the Pens will always be in the same division as us for rivalry reasons), but it would only slightly increase travel distances for Tampa. I think Tampa makes more sense.

At least he's making less than Shelley, and can be sent to the Phantoms without any cap penalty
- Jsaquella

hey, nice write up on mez @ THG. your work has been stellar

I said in a basic sense. Divide that by 2 and it's 50% players, 50% owners.

All I was asking is, is that (in a sense) how it works? If there are less teams, but a higher revenue per team average, would the cap go up?

To use easy numbers, let's say 20 teams make twice as much revenue as the other 10 teams.
If they eliminate those 10 teams, then the total revenue goes down, but the revenue per team increases. Would that result in a higher salary cap?
- jmatchett383

In any sense what you wrote was wrong. It would give all the revenue to the players. Less teams would mean less revenue, and the Cap would go down.

The basic calculation for the cap is league revenues multiplied by the players’ share ( 50 per cent) minus player benefits and then divided by the 30 teams. That determines the salary “midpoint,”. The basics of how the cap and floor will be calculated is that they will be 15 per cent above and 15 per cent below the midpoint.

In any sense what you wrote was wrong. It would give all the revenue to the players. Less teams would mean less revenue, and the Cap would go down.

The basic calculation for the cap is league revenues multiplied by the players’ share ( 50 per cent) minus player benefits and then divided by the 30 teams. That determines the salary “midpoint,”. The basics of how the cap and floor will be calculated is that they will be 15 per cent above and 15 per cent below the midpoint.
- MJL

Yes, I realized that, and was asking is it the general sense. I said i was wrong and that you'd have to divide by 2 to get just the player's share. Thank you for stating that twice.

But the bolded part makes me believe that, if you subtracted the teams that generate the lowest revenue, all other things being equal, the revenue generated per team on average would increase, therefore the players' 50% share per team would increase, which would cause an increase in the cap. Is that correct?

Yes, I realized that, and was asking is it the general sense. I said i was wrong and that you'd have to divide by 2 to get just the player's share. Thank you for stating that twice.

But the bolded part makes me believe that, if you subtracted the teams that generate the lowest revenue, all other things being equal, the revenue generated per team on average would increase, therefore the players' 50% share per team would increase, which would cause an increase in the cap. Is that correct?
- jmatchett383

In my opinion, no. Less revenue would lower the Cap, not raise it. Regardless of how many teams. 2 less teams would not offset the loss of revenue. I have now stated that 3 times.

Increasing the revenue that some of the weaker teams bring in, or adding more teams is strong markets, is what will raise the Cap.

Jbo signs a five year extension with the blues, hmm.

Jbo signs a five year extension with the blues, hmm.
- FlyerLifer

Good deal for the Blues. This is not going to affect their ability to re-sign Pietrangelo in any way.

Jbo signs a five year extension with the blues, hmm.
- FlyerLifer

bye bye couts

Good deal for the Blues. This is not going to affect their ability to re-sign Pietrangelo in any way.
- MJL

That's a pretty good top 3 they have over there.

That's a pretty good top 3 they have over there.
- FlyerLifer

Sure is.

Sure is.
- MJL

Definitely impressed by their GM, their offense is ok but they should be a serious contender.

Good deal for the Blues. This is not going to affect their ability to re-sign Pietrangelo in any way.
- MJL

I'm pretty surprised at this. Just the fact that their shelling out this type of cash. Seems like their ownership wasn't bluffing when they were talking about spending to the ceiling. They'll be fine cap wise. I think it would be in their best interest to lock up pietro long term in the 6-6.5 range now if they can. 8 yr 52 millish
Potential UFA for flyers gone

Good Lord.

Is there a team in MLB right now that can possibly be worse the the Phils?

I'm pretty surprised at this. Just the fact that their shelling out this type of cash. Seems like their ownership wasn't bluffing when they were talking about spending to the ceiling. They'll be fine cap wise. I think it would be in their best interest to lock up pietro long term in the 6-6.5 range now if they can. 8 yr 52 millish
Potential UFA for flyers gone
- Just5

I'd be surprised if Pietrangelo would sign a deal like that. Not even close to enough money for Pietrangelo to willing to sign that long of a deal.