What are you talking about?
No one in Toronto is claiming this guy is more than he is.
That Ive heard anyway.
- Fakepartofme

Seriously?

The crap I've heard from all tons of media here in the T dot make him sound like he's a "vital piece; one you can't let get away".

While no one has come out and called him a perennial all-star, it's a tad weird to see a filler D-man like Fraser get so much lauding and so much coverage lately.

Then again, it's Toronto...

this one does seem like it could have been avoided...

Gunnarson on other hand would have gotten an award above $3.5M, so that they could walk away from (though no Gunnarson next year would be bad IMO, would have solved the cap issue)
- Big_Lightnin

the Gunnarsson deal is standard. sometimes people forget what the average NHL salary is. Gunnarsson is not going to be making a ton more than that. if you can get 22 solid minute from a dman making just over $3 million, that's a fair contract.

ok, i got that part. but then, the Leafs could have still made another offer no? just saying that if they expected the guy to sign a 2-way deal, they were nuts, because as dime-a-dozen as he is, he proved last year that he could be an effective third-pairing guy, and that's easily worthy of a one-way deal.
- DoubleDown

And you're saying they haven't?

Seriously?

The crap I've heard from all tons of media here in the T dot make him sound like he's a "vital piece; one you can't let get away".

While no one has come out and called him a perennial all-star, it's a tad weird to see a filler D-man like Fraser get so much lauding and so much coverage lately.

Then again, it's Toronto...
- OzBolts

post some links then we can see them also

Should have let Bozo walk a kept Grabo. Buy out Liles.
- Iggysbff

That would cause a big problem with the coach, and likely hurt Phillip's feelings.

Meh.
I dont see it as a very bad move.
His defensive game is overrated, his play is inconsistant and his offence sucks.
I have no issues getting rid of him.
- Fakepartofme

no it isn't, not it isn't, and his offense was fine when he was on Kadri's line.

ok, i got that part. but then, the Leafs could have still made another offer no? just saying that if they expected the guy to sign a 2-way deal, they were nuts, because as dime-a-dozen as he is, he proved last year that he could be an effective third-pairing guy, and that's easily worthy of a one-way deal.
- DoubleDown

the offer was made, because they had to or he became a UFA, and now they can sort or work out something and make another offer, this just bought more negotiation time

the Gunnarsson deal is standard. sometimes people forget what the average NHL salary is. Gunnarsson is not going to be making a ton more than that. if you can get 22 solid minute from a dman making just over $3 million, that's a fair contract.
- DoubleDown

Stanley Cup contenders might have players like Gunnar, but they're playing much less than 22 mns per game.

Seriously?

The crap I've heard from all tons of media here in the T dot make him sound like he's a "vital piece; one you can't let get away".

While no one has come out and called him a perennial all-star, it's a tad weird to see a filler D-man like Fraser get so much lauding and so much coverage lately.

Then again, it's Toronto...
- OzBolts

we all live in Toronto or area, all watch everything on Leafs, and nobody has any idea what you are talking about.

Sure you're not confusing him with Franson?

Painted himself.in a corner because his priorities are stupid
- Mapleleafs_91

I think Nonis will have a much shorter leash from the fans than Burkie did.

But would play their asses off. Because if not, out they go.
- bixll

True.
One would hope.

the Gunnarsson deal is standard. sometimes people forget what the average NHL salary is. Gunnarsson is not going to be making a ton more than that. if you can get 22 solid minute from a dman making just over $3 million, that's a fair contract.
- DoubleDown

oh I have no issue with his contract... as I said he would have gotten much more in Arbitration... probably $4M. He's still underpaid at $3.1M as far as I'm concerned and that's great.

comment was just that they would have had the option to walk away which would have created room to sign Franson... but it would also make the D core significantly worse.

Seriously?

The crap I've heard from all tons of media here in the T dot make him sound like he's a "vital piece; one you can't let get away".

While no one has come out and called him a perennial all-star, it's a tad weird to see a filler D-man like Fraser get so much lauding and so much coverage lately.

Then again, it's Toronto...
- OzBolts

Nah man, Ive never heard anything like that.

Seriously?

The crap I've heard from all tons of media here in the T dot make him sound like he's a "vital piece; one you can't let get away".

While no one has come out and called him a perennial all-star, it's a tad weird to see a filler D-man like Fraser get so much lauding and so much coverage lately.

Then again, it's Toronto...
- OzBolts

Proof or it didn't happen.


Every one in here reads and watches all things leafs and no one knows what the (frank) you are talking about

no it isn't, not it isn't, and his offense was fine when he was on Kadri's line.
- Big_Lightnin

No man, he's simply overrated and easily replaced.

$3.5M... and MORE Than... UNDER $3.5M they have to take it.
- Big_Lightnin

right

True.
One would hope.
- Fakepartofme

Maybe they wouldnt, maybe I dont like my contract, or coach or city or team now, SO ILL just play like dog poop, get out my contract and go to where I want too sounds good to me

11.18 Ordinary Course Buy-Outs Outside the Regular Period.

Clubs shall have the right to exercise Ordinary Course Buy-Outs outside the regular period for Ordinary Course Buy-Outs in accordance with Paragraph 13(c)(ii) of the SPC. Each Club shall be limited to no more than three (3) such Buy-Outs outside the regular period over the term of this Agreement pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC. However, in the event that a Club has only one salary arbitration hearing pursuant to Section 12.3(a) in a given League Year, such Club shall not be entitled to exercise such an Ordinary Course Buy-Out outside the regular period. Moreover, a Club shall not be entitled to exercise an Ordinary Course Buy-Out outside the regular period for: (i) any Player who was not on the Club's Reserve List as of the most recent Trade Deadline, or (ii) any Player with an Averaged Amount less than $2,750,000. The dollar amount of $2,750,000 set forth in this Section 11.18 shall be increased on an annual basis at the same percentage rate of annual increase as the Average League Salary, with the first such increase occurring based upon a comparison of the 2014/15 Average League Salary to the 2013/14 Average League Salary. By way of example, if the Average League Salary for the 2014/15 League Year has increased by ten (10) percent from the Average League Salary for the 2013/14 League Year, then the figure of $2,750,000 stated in Section 11.18, shall be increased by ten (10) percent to $3,025,000.

Guess we're not buying out Liles if I'm reading this right. Any (frank)ing lawyers on here that can read this poop?

Stanley Cup contenders might have players like Gunnar, but they're playing much less than 22 mns per game.
- 1979AD

ok so even 18-19 mins. point is, you want competent defencemen who don't run around their zone and poop themselves when they're not playing the other team's plugs, you gotta pay for them. i know nothing about Gunnarsson, just going by what i hear on this thread and the consensus is that he's a solid, unflashy second pairing guy. sounds like a Josh Gorges. who makes almost $4 million on a 6-year deal.

I think Nonis will have a much shorter leash from the fans than Burkie did.
- robin_steele264

Fans are irrelevant when your boss gives you a 5-year extension for no particular reason.

Guess we're not buying out Liles if I'm reading this right. Any (frank)ing lawyers on here that can read this poop?
- gravyface

Ill ask Jeeves

Guess we're not buying out Liles if I'm reading this right. Any (frank)ing lawyers on here that can read this poop?
- gravyface

poop... ya that's what I was afraid of. Needed both Gunnar and him to go to arb...

No man, he's simply overrated and easily replaced.
- Fakepartofme

Who??

I've said it all summer long last year and I'll say it again today:

FREE FRANSON!

ok so even 18-19 mins. point is, you want competent defencemen who don't run around their zone and poop themselves when they're not playing the other team's plugs, you gotta pay for them. i know nothing about Gunnarsson, just going by what i hear on this thread and the consensus is that he's a solid, unflashy second pairing guy. sounds like a Josh Gorges. who makes almost $4 million on a 6-year deal.
- DoubleDown

If Leafs have a D where Gunnarson is the #4, that will be a pretty solid D core. (meaning they have 3 guys better and more reliable than him).