Insulting offer? It was what was required as per the cba.
- burn

ok maybe im mistaken. i thought that was the minimum offer. they couldn't have offered a one-way deal?

one thing i don't get is... why did the Leafs not offer him a one-way deal from the start? guy played 45 games last year on D. seems like he earned a one-way deal at the very least. $2 million is obviously crazy but the Leaf offer seems a bit insulting.
- DoubleDown

Maybe they want to go to Arby so they can dump Liles in September.

Only if we can move Phaneuf for a #1 Center does it make any sense. We are thin on centers with skill as it is. And then it probably doesnt make sense

Example
Sean Coutourier and Seth jones vs Phaneuf, Kadri and Rielly
- senstroll

A) that would be trading Pa-neuf to a rival...no thanks
B) when did Couturier become a number center?

And I'm saying that there is a non-compliance buyout window after the arbitration period is over for teams that went through an arbitration; it begins end of August/early September.
- gravyface

48 hr window to walk away?

I didnt propose it, dont shoot the messenger
- PinkSock

Seemed like you were in favor, saying we should do this trade.

I think you missed posting a laughie with your original post.

one thing i don't get is... why did the Leafs not offer him a one-way deal from the start? guy played 45 games last year on D. seems like he earned a one-way deal at the very least. $2 million is obviously crazy but the Leaf offer seems a bit insulting.
- DoubleDown

dunno if qualifying offer has to be 2-way? I dunno.

but ya not like he'll ever play for the marlies anyway. If he signed 1-way, 2 yr $900k per and they waived him he would get claimed anyway.

he's never made more than $660k. $885k is what it is because it's arbitration. It's a lot closer than his $2M number.

Honestly 2 yrs, $900k per 1-way should have been done long ago.

ok maybe im mistaken. i thought that was the minimum offer. they couldn't have offered a one-way deal?
- DoubleDown

Why? IF every player could be had on a 2 way...;...

ok maybe im mistaken. i thought that was the minimum offer. they couldn't have offered a one-way deal?
- DoubleDown

On a qualifying offer to retain his rights they are required to offer last years deal 10%.


All that first offer was was to retain his rights. A formality.

Should have let Bozo walk a kept Grabo. Buy out Liles.

Why? IF every player could be had on a 2 way...;...
- PinkSock

What if the NHL just had guaranteed contracts, if you don't play to the level of your contract, see ya.

Seemed like you were in favor, saying we should do this trade.

I think you missed posting a laughie with your original post.
- burn

No Sir, I would not do that deal

No proof of either occuring.
With or without Blowzak, who's to say Phil wont resign?
- Fakepartofme

ya I think he was staying either way.

nobody's walking away from 8 yrs $8M per on a team that's winning. And he likes it here.

He certainly wasn't going to let Bozak choose which team he plays for the rest of his career.

but people love their storylines, so this is what gets talked about

48 hr window to walk away?
- PinkSock

48hrs to walk away, and also the buyout period he's talking about (if the criteria is met)

What if the NHL just had guaranteed contracts, if you don't play to the level of your contract, see ya.
- bixll

You are cold hearted

48 hr window to walk away?
- PinkSock

Can't walk away because its under 3.5M.

No Sir, I would not do that deal
- PinkSock

Good, I didn't take you a senile.

You are cold hearted
- PinkSock

Its just good business.

Maybe they want to go to Arby so they can dump Liles in September.
- gravyface

this one does seem like it could have been avoided...

Gunnarson on other hand would have gotten an award above $3.5M, so that they could walk away from (though no Gunnarson next year would be bad IMO, would have solved the cap issue)

What if the NHL just had guaranteed contracts, if you don't play to the level of your contract, see ya.
- bixll

No.
With the foolishness of the NHL GM's...that would be a total mess.
Players would be overpaid like crazy.

No.
With the foolishness of the NHL GM's...that would be a total mess.
Players would be overpaid like crazy.
- Fakepartofme

But would play their asses off. Because if not, out they go.

On a qualifying offer to retain his rights they are required to offer last years deal 10%.


All that first offer was was to retain his rights. A formality.
- burn

ok, i got that part. but then, the Leafs could have still made another offer no? just saying that if they expected the guy to sign a 2-way deal, they were nuts, because as dime-a-dozen as he is, he proved last year that he could be an effective third-pairing guy, and that's easily worthy of a one-way deal.

48hrs to walk away, and also the buyout period he's talking about (if the criteria is met)
- burn

this is what I am having trouble finding...

A) that would be trading Pa-neuf to a rival...no thanks
B) when did Couturier become a number center?
- Fakepartofme

A) I wouldnt care where he went
B) just throwing out an example, pick anyone else you think dee-on could fetch

No proof of either occuring.
With or without Blowzak, who's to say Phil wont resign?
- Fakepartofme

That's right - no proof, but speculation. That's what we do here, we speculate.

Given that he's only 20something, I'd be very surprised if he resigned.

ok, i got that part. but then, the Leafs could have still made another offer no? just saying that if they expected the guy to sign a 2-way deal, they were nuts, because as dime-a-dozen as he is, he proved last year that he could be an effective third-pairing guy, and that's easily worthy of a one-way deal.
- DoubleDown

I find it hard to believe they didn't...