That what I see too.
the on ice chemistry is a fallacy, its the Keyser Soze everyone has made up and believes exists.
- senstroll

Wonderful analogy. So true

Considering the buyout numbers for Liles I would think that trading him while retaining $1M per year in salary wouldn't be impossible. Less penalty over a shorter period of time.

Assuming he can't be traded outright.

The Leafs do not have the compliance buyout option available to them after using their allotted two on Mike Komisarek and Grabovski and there is no window available for a regular buyout until next summer, but the Leafs can retain salary on one more traded player this season.

or am I the only one who read thewhole blog?
- PinkSock

there is a window after arbitration for teams involved with arbitration, but dunno if ALL teams with arb awards get that window.

not a lot of info. somebody posted and article from Larry Brooks last blog, but it wasn't clear on it either.

Or they could do this trade from trade wars


Offer #2 – The Nashville Predators offer defenseman Seth Jones to the Toronto Maple Leafs for center Nazem Kadri plus defenseman Morgan Rielly.
- PinkSock

(frank) that poop

I didn't say they can't move him, just that they can't take back a player that will play on the roster.

If they can't make a trade where they retain some salary but don't take a "roster" contract back in return, then they likely have to buy him out... if they get the option.

still trying to find if they will get that option - I don't know if everybody who gets a forced arb award gets a buyout period.

here's Liles buyout cap hit if they were to do it...

2013-14: $875,000
◦2014-15: $875,000
◦2015-16: $2,375,000
◦2016-17: $1,250,000
◦2017-18: $1,250,000
◦2018-19: $1,250,000
- Big_Lightnin

I thought that the 2 buyouts did not count against the cap?

Liles wont be move....Ihope he is...he's still good.
I could see Kulemin being moved for a pick.
- Fakepartofme

this would be very bad... but best value player they could trade quickly

Fraser is a good bottom pair guy, can play a decent shut down role, but let's not pretend he's the second coming of Scott Stevens.

If he is not a Leaf next year, it's because Franson cost the team more than expected to resign, which is fine, as Franson has not only a decent defensive acumen and good size, he's also a serious threat on the power play.

But, as always, the Toronto media turns Cory Sarich into Adam Foote...
- OzBolts

What are you talking about?
No one in Toronto is claiming this guy is more than he is.
That Ive heard anyway.

I thought that the 2 buyouts did not count against the cap?
- bixll

the 2 buyouts are already gone.

those are if they buyout Liles after the arbitration award for Fraser... if they qualify to do it.

Or they could do this trade from trade wars


Offer #2 – The Nashville Predators offer defenseman Seth Jones to the Toronto Maple Leafs for center Nazem Kadri plus defenseman Morgan Rielly.
- PinkSock

Why

Fraser is a good bottom pair guy, can play a decent shut down role, but let's not pretend he's the second coming of Scott Stevens.

If he is not a Leaf next year, it's because Franson cost the team more than expected to resign, which is fine, as Franson has not only a decent defensive acumen and good size, he's also a serious threat on the power play.

But, as always, the Toronto media turns Cory Sarich into Adam Foote...
- OzBolts

Cory Cross

Can't let them walk anymore, have to sign them to whatever the Arbitrator awards.

I also believe that the Arbitrator can't come up with their own number anymore either. They have to pick one of the two's amounts. So If they don't settle on a contract before tomorrow, Fraser is either an angry Leaf at 825,000, or a overpaid Leaf with no D partner at 2 mil.
- vermie22

Only if its over $3M per...anything less they can walk.

there is a window after arbitration for teams involved with arbitration, but dunno if ALL teams with arb awards get that window.

not a lot of info. somebody posted and article from Larry Brooks last blog, but it wasn't clear on it either.
- Big_Lightnin

best I could find

A player can only be subjected to a team-elected arbitration one time in his career, while a player may elect arbitration as many times as possible, provided that a qualifying offer has been made. After a qualifying offer is made, an eligible player can elect to go through the arbitration process, where the team and the player each make an argument for a certain contract size. An independent arbiter hears the arguments and decides on a fair contract amount. If the player has elected arbitration, and the award is more than $3,500,000 (from 2005-2012, the threshold was $1,042,173), a team has 48 hours to "walk away" from the arbitration award, making the player an unrestricted free agent. If the team has elected arbitration, the arbitrator's award is binding regardless of the amount.

Why
- burn

I didnt propose it, dont shoot the messenger

this would be very bad... but best value player they could trade quickly
- Big_Lightnin

Meh.
I dont see it as a very bad move.
His defensive game is overrated, his play is inconsistant and his offence sucks.
I have no issues getting rid of him.

This is the only argument I will agree with on that.
We did it to keep Phil happy.
- senstroll

BINGO. Would you rather have Phil as a top 10 scorer for years to come and Bozak over Grabo. Or would you rather have Grabo over Bozak and Phil taking a hometown discount to play with Wild after this season?

Or they could do this trade from trade wars


Offer #2 – The Nashville Predators offer defenseman Seth Jones to the Toronto Maple Leafs for center Nazem Kadri plus defenseman Morgan Rielly.
- PinkSock

Only if we can move Phaneuf for a #1 Center does it make any sense. We are thin on centers with skill as it is. And then it probably doesnt make sense

Example
Sean Coutourier and Seth jones vs Phaneuf, Kadri and Rielly

one thing i don't get is... why did the Leafs not offer him a one-way deal from the start? guy played 45 games last year on D. seems like he earned a one-way deal at the very least. $2 million is obviously crazy but the Leaf offer seems a bit insulting.

Meh.
I dont see it as a very bad move.
He's defensive game is overrated, he's play is inconsistant and his offence sucks.
I have no issues getting rid of him.
- Fakepartofme

I concur

one thing i don't get is... why did the Leafs not offer him a one-way deal from the start? guy played 45 games last year on D. seems like he earned a one-way deal at the very least. $2 million is obviously crazy but the Leaf offer seems a bit insulting.
- DoubleDown

Formality, they had to make a qualifying offer..

BINGO. Would you rather have Phil as a top 10 scorer for years to come and Bozak over Grabo. Or would you rather have Grabo over Bozak and Phil taking a hometown discount to play with Wild after this season?
- 1979AD

No proof of either occuring.
With or without Blowzak, who's to say Phil wont resign?

Only if its over $3M per...anything less they can walk.
- Colin Dambrauskas

$3.5M... and MORE Than... UNDER $3.5M they have to take it.

the 2 buyouts are already gone.

those are if they buyout Liles after the arbitration award for Fraser... if they qualify to do it.
- Big_Lightnin

I am not very bright today

one thing i don't get is... why did the Leafs not offer him a one-way deal from the start? guy played 45 games last year on D. seems like he earned a one-way deal at the very least. $2 million is obviously crazy but the Leaf offer seems a bit insulting.
- DoubleDown

Insulting offer? It was what was required as per the cba.

No proof of either occuring.
With or without Blowzak, who's to say Phil wont resign?
- Fakepartofme

I will blow my brains out if we have Bozak and no Kessel

The Leafs do not have the compliance buyout option available to them after using their allotted two on Mike Komisarek and Grabovski and there is no window available for a regular buyout until next summer, but the Leafs can retain salary on one more traded player this season.

or am I the only one who read thewhole blog?
- PinkSock

And I'm saying that there is a non-compliance buyout window after the arbitration period is over for teams that went through an arbitration; it begins end of August/early September.