I agree it does happen, but I'm not clear on the rules regarding players on LTIR.

For Example, would the Flyers be able to trade Chris Pronger to a cap floor team and give them a 1st round pick to take the contract on. Kind of like Boston trading Thomas's contract to the Islanders.
- youarewrong

Im not sure how that would work to be honest..

I think it's far more about the injury history, then his contract. He only has one year left on it. If he was a completely healthy player, without the recent injuries. He'd be relatively easy to move.
- MJL

Why would a team trade for Mez when they could just pick up the phone and get any of Hainsey, Whitney or Gilbert to sign to a fraction of the contract/salary right now?

I think it's far more about the injury history, then his contract. He only has one year left on it. If he was a completely healthy player, without the recent injuries. He'd be relatively easy to move.
- MJL

If he has a relatively uneventful camp (assuming he'll be ready), and is able to play a couple of pre-season games without incident, perhaps something could shake loose.

The point is that most teams aren't real excited about paying out 5.5M for a player that's not playing.
- MJL

not disagreeing with that, but with the premium put on dmen in this league, i'd imagine there is a team out there that would be keen on acquiring a player of his talent level, even with the risk associated, on a short term basis for nothing more than a throwaway draft pick. i'm not saying its going to happen but it wouldnt surprise me in the least.

If he has a relatively uneventful camp (assuming he'll be ready), and is able to play a couple of pre-season games without incident, perhaps something could shake loose.
- 77rams

If he wasnt hurt all the time we would be moving colburn and keeping mez I think

my point is legal or not, its rare trades of injured players happen. it remains a fact even if you pull up alexander (frank)ing daigle's name.
- flyershockey

I think it depends entirely on the injury and injury history. Mez is coming off four major injuries in a year and a half.

Giroux had 2 surgeries last offseason. I'm sure his value wouldnt have been affected had the Flyers tried to trade him.

my point is legal or not, its rare trades of injured players happen. it remains a fact even if you pull up alexander (frank)ing daigle's name.
- flyershockey

Your point is not really relevant, as the post stated that he couldn't be traded until he received medical clearance. My comment was pointing out that there's not a rule saying he has to be cleared to be traded. My original post said nothing about the rate that those sort of trades happen, simply that they are legal under the NHL's CBA.

Thanks for playing.

I agree it does happen, but I'm not clear on the rules regarding players on LTIR.

For Example, would the Flyers be able to trade Chris Pronger to a cap floor team and give them a 1st round pick to take the contract on. Kind of like Boston trading Thomas's contract to the Islanders.
- youarewrong

The difference is that the Isles didn't have to pay TT, because he was technically suspended all year for walking out on his contract.

Any team trading for Pronger would have to be willing to pay him every last dollar.

Your point is not really relevant, as the post stated that he couldn't be traded until he received medical clearance. My comment was pointing out that there's not a rule saying he has to be cleared to be traded. My original post said nothing about the rate that those sort of trades happen, simply that they are legal under the NHL's CBA.

Thanks for playing.
- Jsaquella

your point was received, and understood, and followed up with a counter point which you then fail to recognize. fine by me. keep doing your best though to tweet at every writer in the country trying to make a name for yourself.

your point was received, and understood, and followed up with a counter point which you then fail to recognize. fine by me. keep doing your best though to tweet at every writer in the country trying to make a name for yourself.
- flyershockey

Jeez, you need to relax.

If he wasnt hurt all the time we would be moving colburn and keeping mez I think
- flyers4487

I agree. Although, I think it has to do with the entire defensive corps injury problems. Except for last season, Coburn has been fairly healthy and reliable.

Mez, Grossmann and Timonen all have lengthy injury histories.

The difference is that the Isles didn't have to pay TT, because he was technically suspended all year for walking out on his contract.

Any team trading for Pronger would have to be willing to pay him every last dollar.
- Tomahawk

For a team needing to reach the cap floor, his final few years wouldnt be bad at all..

Jeez, you need to relax.
- Tomahawk

im fine with everyone on this board except him.

Your point is not really relevant, as the post stated that he couldn't be traded until he received medical clearance. My comment was pointing out that there's not a rule saying he has to be cleared to be traded. My original post said nothing about the rate that those sort of trades happen, simply that they are legal under the NHL's CBA.

Thanks for playing.
- Jsaquella

Did you accidentally back over this dude's dog?

your point was received, and understood, and followed up with a counter point which you then fail to recognize. fine by me. keep doing your best though to tweet at every writer in the country trying to make a name for yourself.
- flyershockey

I agree it does happen, but I'm not clear on the rules regarding players on LTIR.

For Example, would the Flyers be able to trade Chris Pronger to a cap floor team and give them a 1st round pick to take the contract on. Kind of like Boston trading Thomas's contract to the Islanders.
- youarewrong

They could, but the structure and time left on Pronger's contract make it very unlikely that anyone would be interested.

The Isles took on Thomas partly because it was one, lockout shortened season and partly because, if he didn't report, they didn't have to pay him a cent. So they got $5mm to stay well above the salary floor, and it didn't cost them a penny.

Pronger has to be paid while he's on LTIR, and he's got 4 years left. The next two seasons, he is scheduled to be paid $7mm and $4mm...after that, his salary drops to $575K for the last two years of the deal, and it might be a little easier to digest for a salary floor team.

For a team needing to reach the cap floor, his final few years wouldnt be bad at all..
- jak521

His final two years are very friendly to cap floor teams. Salary below $1M but cap hit at around $5M

your point was received, and understood, and followed up with a counter point which you then fail to recognize. fine by me. keep doing your best though to tweet at every writer in the country trying to make a name for yourself.
- flyershockey

Your counterpoint was not relevant to the conversation. I never said that trading an injured player was a common practice, just said it was legal.

Had I said that injured guys get traded all the time, you might have had a point, but as such, the relevance of your point is more or less non existent.

Thanks for the interest in my twitter activity, by the way.

For a team needing to reach the cap floor, his final few years wouldnt be bad at all..
- jak521

Yeah, that's a couple of seasons off though.

I agree. Although, I think it has to do with the entire defensive corps injury problems. Except for last season, Coburn has been fairly healthy and reliable.

Mez, Grossmann and Timonen all have lengthy injury histories.
- PhillySportsGuy

Pretty much, we just have to get under the cap for the start of the season, so I honestly have no problem keeping part of mezz salary to make that happen.

carbomb.

Your counterpoint was not relevant to the conversation. I never said that trading an injured player was a common practice, just said it was legal.

Had I said that injured guys get traded all the time, you might have had a point, but as such, the relevance of your point is more or less non existent.

Thanks for the interest in my twitter activity, by the way.
- Jsaquella

i dont follow you on twitter, i just see retweets from some of the philly writers, check your page, and realize you tweet to everyone under the sun trying to get noticed.

and yes, pointing out that injured players are rarely traded is very relevant to the topic.

It has been amazingly quiet on the transaction front league wide. July 5 there was a flurry of activity, and basically nothing since then. There are some pretty solid players still out there to be had.

The only big news since July 5 was Kovalchuk. And that came out of left field.

If he wasnt hurt all the time we would be moving colburn and keeping mez I think
- flyers4487

It's possible. Even with Meszaros' injury history, the Flyers were engaged in talks about moving Coburn to Edmonton

i dont follow you on twitter, i just see retweets from some of the philly writers, check your page, and realize you tweet to everyone under the sun trying to get noticed.

and yes, pointing out that injured players are rarely traded is very relevant to the topic.
- flyershockey