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wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:38 PM ET
So it still applies or did the new CBA nullify that contract escalator.
- Marshalle


I would imagine the bonus structure is the same regardless of CBA, but as has been pointed out, the bonus goals might be different this year (the final of the contract), and there is the cap bonus during the off-season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:39 PM ET
So it still applies or did the new CBA nullify that contract escalator.
- Marshalle



It still applies.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:40 PM ET
It still applies.
- MJL


Any way to rejigger it?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:40 PM ET
LTIR doesn't kick in until it's actually used. Teams have to be cap comliant on the last day of training camp.
- MJL


So unless LTIR can be used on the last day of training camp, there could be a brief cap problem window for the Flyers, right?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:41 PM ET
Any way to rejigger it?
- jmatchett383



You'd have to have a rejiggerer!
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
You'd have to have a rejiggerer!
- MJL


Those are impossible to get since the Empire turned into real bastards about them.

Oh, wait, look who I'm talking to...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
So unless LTIR can be used on the last day of training camp, there could be a brief cap problem window for the Flyers, right?
- wolfhounds



The Flyers have to find away to remove 2.5M from the Cap by the last day of training Camp. While avoiding placing Pronger on LTIR to do so as best as possible.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
So unless LTIR can be used on the last day of training camp, there could be a brief cap problem window for the Flyers, right?
- wolfhounds



The opening of the window to take the exemption coincides w/ the transition between offseason to in-season cap, I think. Otherwise, teams would be screwed by the shortfall.

Demote Couturier/Schenn/Laught before the end of camp, invoke Pronger's max LTIR exemption, then call everybody back up before game 1.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:44 PM ET
Those are impossible to get since the Empire turned into real bastards about them.

Oh, wait, look who I'm talking to...

- wolfhounds

Perhaps you feel you are being treated unfairly?


...Good. It would be unfortunate if he had to leave a garrison here.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
Perhaps you feel you are being treated unfairly?


...Good. It would be unfortunate if he had to leave a garrison here.

- BulliesPhan87

...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
...
- jak521

keep it down
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:46 PM ET
The opening of the window to take the exemption coincides w/ the transition between offseason to in-season cap, I think. Otherwise, teams would be screwed by the shortfall.

Demote Couturier/Schenn/Laught before the end of camp, invoke Pronger's max LTIR exemption, then call everybody back up before game 1.

- Tomahawk


That's like pulling a jedi mind trick on the league, and I like it!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
The Flyers have to find away to remove 2.5M from the Cap by the last day of training Camp. While avoiding placing Pronger on LTIR to do so as best as possible.
- MJL


I keep hearing about LTIR impacting offseason cap space or next season space or tagging or something. Please someone (MJL?) clarify this and please show me specifically how LTIRing Pronger (or anyone else in the past) has impacted the team.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
That's like pulling a jedi mind trick on the league, and I like it!
- wolfhounds



wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
Perhaps you feel you are being treated unfairly?


...Good. It would be unfortunate if he had to leave a garrison here.

- BulliesPhan87


Fine. But I keep the woman...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:48 PM ET
That's like pulling a jedi mind trick on the league, and I like it!
- wolfhounds


Since it's the Flyers, they'll deem it cap circumvention, and the Flyers will be hit with a $10M fine and forced to forfeit 80 consecutive first round picks, AND mandated to resign Ilya Bryzgalov to his former contract, starting back at year 1.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 15 @ 2:48 PM ET
The Flyers have to find away to remove 2.5M from the Cap by the last day of training Camp. While avoiding placing Pronger on LTIR to do so as best as possible.
- MJL


If the Flyers use Wellwood's LTIR before the season does that limit the cap to 64.3+Wellwood's salary? Even if they don't use Pronger's?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:50 PM ET
I keep hearing about LTIR impacting offseason cap space or next season space or tagging or something. Please someone (MJL?) clarify this and please show me specifically how LTIRing Pronger (or anyone else in the past) has impacted the team.
- jmatchett383



Flyers had to carry 1.4M in bonus overages for the 12/13 Season. And 182K for the upcoming Season.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 2:51 PM ET
Let me clarify: highest quantity of injuries while playing in the NHL.
- jmatchett383

Eric Lindros!!!!

Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:51 PM ET
Actually, it was 3 instances. But hey, who's counting?
- Jsaquella


Keith Ballard was injured when the Canucks traded for him a few years back...

Think one of Samuelsson (when he was traded to FLA) or Booth might have been, as well, if I remember correctly, but I don't think it was a serious injury. Higgins was, as well, when the Canucks traded for him....they seem to have traded for a few injured players the last few years.

Yeah, it happens...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:51 PM ET
If the Flyers use Wellwood's LTIR before the season does that limit the cap to 64.3+Wellwood's salary? Even if they don't use Pronger's?
- jstross



It would be less. Same scenario as has been explained as to why the Flyers want to wait until the first day of the Season to place Pronger on LTIR.
Marshalle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: oshawa, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:51 PM ET
If the Flyers use Wellwood's LTIR before the season does that limit the cap to 64.3+Wellwood's salary? Even if they don't use Pronger's?
- jstross

I hate the cap...screw socialism lets go back to the wild days of unabashed capitalism in the NHL. Lol of course the Flyers are Mega Rich so that helps.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:52 PM ET
Flyers had to carry 1.4M in bonus overages for the 12/13 Season. And 182K for the upcoming Season.
- MJL


Gotcha. Any link on how that works? Yes I'm being lazy.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:53 PM ET
I hate the cap...screw socialism lets go back to the wild days of unabashed capitalism in the NHL. Lol of course the Flyers are Mega Rich so that helps.
- Marshalle




Some would argue that baseball has the most parity of the 4 major sports....no cap
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:55 PM ET
Gotcha. Any link on how that works? Yes I'm being lazy.
- jmatchett383



LTIR can't absorb bonus money, only salaries for injury replacements.
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