Big_Lightnin
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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TOI. Thats your favorite stat. The Leafs hae a weak d but oh, they play a lot, so their good. - aminnes
You said he doesn't play with Phaneuf...I showed you he does (unless that's not what you were referring to)
Yes, they have a weak D, so probably not a good idea to get rid of arguably the most reliable Dman in all situations at a very reasonable cap hit. $2.5 or less for Gunnar is money well spent.
More than that they can't afford unfortunately |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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Yay! Lets' retain even more salary! - aminnes
Yeah, not a fan if its more than 1 season. I assume it would be for the remaining length of the contract if we kept salary on liles..No thanks
Frattin and Scrivens is ok if its just this season
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aminnes
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Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB Joined: 12.17.2008
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Dude, show me who do you have for pairings without Gunnarson? - markmark
I want Gunner, but they opted for thetender, now thy have to make choices, and I say, of Fraser, Franson or Gunner, it's gunner. Unless someone take sLiles, which i doubt. |
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Big_Lightnin
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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Yay! Lets' retain even more salary! - aminnes cheaper than keeping liles |
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markmark
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 07.27.2010
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Thank you. Keeping the puck out of our net was not having 7th in the league in save. Crap d. again, thanks Bernier. - aminnes
4.7mil in goalies isnt the problem.
9.5mil for two third liners is.
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aminnes
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Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB Joined: 12.17.2008
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You said he doesn't play with Phaneuf...I showed you he does (unless that's not what you were referring to)
Yes, they have a weak D, so probably not a good idea to get rid of arguably the most reliable Dman in all situations at a very reasonable cap hit. $2.5 or less for Gunnar is money well spent.
More than that they can't afford unfortunately - Big_Lightnin
I was referring to a time when they can be great, i that context he can't. Your not winning a cup with him or Phaneuf playing top pair, unless it's Dion with someone better than Dion. |
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Leafland
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Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON Joined: 10.25.2011
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It'd kind of be fun to see Gunnarsson let go and replaced with Franson on the top pairing - if for no other reason than to demonstrate how valuable Gunnarsson is. He's one of the very few dmen the Leafs have that's capable of playing a responsible game in his own end.
I hope Franson takes the next step and becomes a 20+ minute guy that can play in all situations but he hasn't shown it yet - and I can't remove that image of the between the legs no look pass he threw out in the Boston series ...in his own zone. - The Law
Gunnarssons never been beaten?
I can't get the image of him flipping the puck up the middle of the ice against the islanders. |
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If they retain some salary Liles is tradeable I think.
Could free up $2.5M or so - Big_Lightnin
Anyone know if retained salary can vary or fluctuate year by year?
On Liles' salary, could we eat $500K the first year, then $750k the following year when the cap increases and so on? |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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4.7mil in goalies isnt the problem.
9.5mil for two third liners is. - markmark
This |
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aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB Joined: 12.17.2008
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4.7mil in goalies isnt the problem.
9.5mil for two third liners is. - markmark
Compare them to themselves. What did Chicago spend on goaltending? They could have had less than 3 million in the net and been fine, came back with al their players. Someone will have to go. |
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Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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I was referring to a time when they can be great, i that context he can't. Your not winning a cup with him or Phaneuf playing top pair, unless it's Dion with someone better than Dion. - aminnes
Agreed
(frank) it, if they're gonna go young...go young
Gardner Phaneuf
Fraser Franson
Rielly Blacker
Liles
(If the decide to keep Rielly) |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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Compare them to themselves. What did Chicago spend on goaltending? They could have had less than 3 million in the net and been fine, came back with al their players. Someone will have to go. - aminnes
They can sign all their RFA's as is right now without losing anyone. |
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Big_Lightnin
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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4.7mil in goalies isnt the problem.
9.5mil for two third liners is. - markmark
Clarkson is not a 3rd liner.
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The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 01.29.2008
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Gunnarssons never been beaten?
I can't get the image of him flipping the puck up the middle of the ice against the islanders. - Leafland
You think Franson is better in his own zone than Gunnarsson? If not, then wtf are you talking about. |
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I was referring to a time when they can be great, i that context he can't. Your not winning a cup with him or Phaneuf playing top pair, unless it's Dion with someone better than Dion. - aminnes
And you aren't getting someone better than Dion to play with Dion unless you want 14-15 mill tied up in your top pair.
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Leafland
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Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON Joined: 10.25.2011
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You think Franson is better in his own zone than Gunnarsson? If not, then wtf are you talking about. - The Law
I think Franson is better than Gunnarson in every zone. |
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Big_Lightnin
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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Anyone know if retained salary can vary or fluctuate year by year?
On Liles' salary, could we eat $500K the first year, then $750k the following year when the cap increases and so on? - As_I_See_It
I have a feeling it can...but in iPad so not looking it up |
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markmark
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 07.27.2010
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Clarkson is not a 3rd liner. - Big_Lightnin
We'll see.
In regards to Bozak, if he was on the deal he has now for the last 2-3 years, he would be getting the Grabo treatment just as bad if not worse. |
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Big_Lightnin
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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I think Franson is better than Gunnarson in every zone. - Leafland
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The Law
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Joined: 01.29.2008
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Anyone know if retained salary can vary or fluctuate year by year?
On Liles' salary, could we eat $500K the first year, then $750k the following year when the cap increases and so on? - As_I_See_It
Not sure ....the salary ($$) maybe but I think the retained cap stays level throughout. It's a good idea though b/c Liles salary drops in the final year. Eat 2 milly over 3 years and the other team would have him for 2.85/yr ....might do it. |
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Big_Lightnin
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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We'll see.
In regards to Bozak, if he was on the deal he has now for the last 2-3 years, he would be getting the Grabo treatment just as bad if not worse. - markmark
You'll notice I did not mention Bozak.
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The Law
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Joined: 01.29.2008
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I think Franson is better than Gunnarson in every zone. - Leafland
Fair enough. |
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markmark
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 07.27.2010
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I think Franson is better than Gunnarson in every zone. - Leafland
Just watch Fransons positioning in his own zone and you will think otherwise. (Granted it has gotten better) |
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Big_Lightnin
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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Just watch Fransons positioning in his own zone and you will think otherwise. (Granted it has gotten better) - markmark
Or notice his absence from the PK |
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The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 01.29.2008
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Just watch Fransons positioning in his own zone and you will think otherwise. (Granted it has gotten better) - markmark
Randy Carlyle agrees with you. |
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