So everyone dogs and moans about Q but now all of a sudden he is the sole barometer of a player's value. When Frolik is a FA next offseason in an increased cap year and he gets a 12 million dollar offer then we can talk
- rollpards19

You keep talking about what GMs offer players in the future. I am talking value to the Hawks last year and Frolik was far more valuable than Stalberg. Stalberg was basically the 20th man on the roster, Frolik had an important role on a penalty killing unit that was as big a part in the cup win as any other.

The stat he's highlighting also has Sheldon Brookbank at the top of the pile.
- Lash8

Yeah definitely don't considered the sample size and analyze using the regular penalty killers. Its a lot easier to just throw out blanket statements then actually try to read it

My pick is Maxim Shalunov.
- Beaver-Warrior

Copier... he's my pick too. ha.

You keep talking about what GMs offer players in the future. I am talking value to the Hawks last year and Frolik was far more valuable than Stalberg. Stalberg was basically the 20th man on the roster, Frolik had an important role on a penalty killing unit that was as big a part in the cup win as any other.
- paulr

Hawks win the cup with or without Stalberg.....Hawks do not win the cup without their PK being so dominant. A PK that had Kruger and Frolik playing double shifts...an impact that cannot be measured.

Yeah definitely don't considered the sample size and analyze using the regular penalty killers. Its a lot easier to just throw out blanket statements then actually try to read it
- rollpards19

Not being personal here but you threw out the statement Frolik is an average penalty killer...just sayin.

Copier... he's my pick too. ha.
- TyCamScore

Could be a sleeper....reason why he is here.

You keep talking about what GMs offer players in the future. I am talking value to the Hawks last year and Frolik was far more valuable than Stalberg. Stalberg was basically the 20th man on the roster, Frolik had an important role on a penalty killing unit that was as big a part in the cup win as any other.
- paulr

He certainly wasn't more valuable in the regular season. Sure he was more valuable in the 20 game playoff season this year, that doesn't mean he is a more valuable player and harder to replace than Stalberg, but that wasn't the discussion

Not being personal here but you threw out the statement Frolik is an average penalty killer...just sayin.
- UnnamedSource

I know nothing's personal with almost all the posters, but Frolik is an average or slightly above average penalty killer. Crawford's a pretty good goalie, but on the PK this year he and Emery were posting some of the best numbers in recent history. They were almost unbeatable. That's not really sustainable. I like Frolik, his effort is fantastic, but his lack of offense sours me for that money. I think he's simply an interchangable cog on a PK that totally revamped its structure, but time will tell looking at our PK and Winnipegs

He certainly wasn't more valuable in the regular season. Sure he was more valuable in the 20 game playoff season this year, that doesn't mean he is a more valuable player and harder to replace than Stalberg, but that wasn't the discussion
- rollpards19

Frolik was an integral part of the Hawks PK which was one of the best in the league during the regular season. What was Stalberg part of during the regular season that was amongst the best in the league? Frolik was more valuable all season than Stalberg. Besides what is more important the regular season or the playoffs?

3 goals and 4 points through 14 playoff games isn't exactly a reason to go out and dump 4mil+ on a guy that was invisible for a large portion of the season and has yet to prove himself.

it's all relative to cap hit and you can't pay everyone... we have invested a lot in our dmen and that means finding inexpensive talent to plug where you can for forwards. can't pay everyone top 6 money and you want to pay for future performance when you can... aka young, inexpensive, controllable assets like kruger, who are proven winners.
- Sconnie

Anyone can grab the coat tails of 19.

Besides what is more important the regular season or the playoffs?
- paulr

Frolik was an integral part of the Hawks PK which was one of the best in the league during the regular season. What was Stalberg part of during the regular season that was amongst the best in the league? Frolik was more valuable all season than Stalberg. Besides what is more important the regular season or the playoffs?
- paulr

Their 5v5 goal ratio. And yeah, Frolik probably played better than Stalberg in the final 3 series. But Crawford really bailed the PK out in the Detroit series where I didn't think Fro was all that special. Now against Boston Fro was dynamite, a team where the depth matchups were really important and he and Krugs came out on top. But what happens if Stals doesn't make a great play on the GWG against Minnesota in game 1? I still don't understand how you think Frolik was more valuable than Stalberg in the regular season. 5v5 determines way more games than PK

Anyone can grab the coat tails of 19.
- nickmo2699

well if it's as easy as just running 19 out there every night, there is no need to pay brunner double... so we're in agreement in a round about way, keep kruger and let brunner get overpaid elsewhere.

Their 5v5 goal ratio
- rollpards19

You're grasping at straws buddy!

Copier... he's my pick too. ha.
- TyCamScore

Great minds , Brother. Great minds think alike!

You're grasping at straws buddy!
- paulr

Lengthened the post, but how is the biggest indicator of playoff success grasping at straws. I'll simplify it. Stalberg was part of the best 3rd line in hockey all regular season on the best team in hockey all regular season

CROW?
- Kentxo

Crawford...

Lengthened the post, but how is the biggest indicator of playoff success grasping at straws. I'll simplify it. Stalberg was part of the best 3rd line in hockey all regular season on the best team in hockey all regular season
- rollpards19

... and wore a white jersey or played less than 10 minutes when it counted the most

Their 5v5 goal ratio. And yeah, Frolik probably played better than Stalberg in the final 3 series. But Crawford really bailed the PK out in the Detroit series where I didn't think Fro was all that special. Now against Boston Fro was dynamite, a team where the depth matchups were really important and he and Krugs came out on top. But what happens if Stals doesn't make a great play on the GWG against Minnesota in game 1? I still don't understand how you think Frolik was more valuable than Stalberg in the regular season. 5v5 determines way more games than PK
- rollpards19

What's with some hawks fans trying to making excuses on why Stalberg isn't better than what he is.. He has amazing speed.. and that's it. He is going to be 27/8 if I recall, he is what he is... Great against crappy teams; and a non factor against quality teams.

I knew i would get a response JJ. You have been a huge Krugman supporter. Nothing wrong with that. But the board work and the flashes of skill here and there and the size, those scream bottom six. Kaner is the best passer on the team and Toews is second. Followed by Seabs. Kruger is a good player but it's a stretch at this point based on what we have seen that he is a top six guy.
- nickmo2699

I really don't know what you're watching. He almost never loses a puck on the boards at 175 pounds. That's ALL hands.

I'm really not interested in what people think about Kruger today or last year. This guy has unfulfilled potential and upside. Maybe quite a bit. Hockey people—scouts, coaches, personnel people—LOVE him.

And regardless, today, he's probably a more valuable player than Damian Brunner.

... and wore a white jersey or played less than 10 minutes when it counted the most
- Sconnie

The regular season is important. The last two times the Hawks have won their division they've won the cup, when they've started on the road, they've gotten bounced. I hope Quenville never comes under criticism again from you guys using the TOI argument

Could be a sleeper....reason why he is here.
- UnnamedSource

Thought the same thing.

Max will have his eye on making the jump from KHL to NHL but not sure if he'd be interested in KHL to AHL at this time. We'll see.

What's with some hawks fans trying to making excuses on why Stalberg isn't better than what he is.. He has amazing speed.. and that's it. He is going to be 27/8 if I recall, he is what he is... Great against crappy teams; and a non factor against quality teams.
- victorymc98

It bother's me that everyone acts like he's this guy who can't score and provides nothing but skating while Michael Frolik is "the heart and soul of the team" ,actual quote from a poster the day he got traded, this penalty killing god that never killed penalties before this season. What it comes down to is I'm pretty arrogant and confident that my own opinion on this issue is correct and I want to help people see what I'm seeing because I think its right. Is that kind of a douchey way to think about it, sure, but its kind of the basis of all disagreements

well if it's as easy as just running 19 out there every night, there is no need to pay brunner double... so we're in agreement in a round about way, keep kruger and let brunner get overpaid elsewhere.
- Sconnie

Well played!!! I just would like to solidify that spot by any means necessary. Pirri is not the answer. If he was he would have been last year. Krugs has a compete level second to #19. He is intrical with the loss of Bolland. But unless our draft picks develop quicker than anticipated, this was the one off season where there were a few centers that would have fit nicely. But of course money was an issue. Brunner wasnt bad last year. Had more points than Kruger. But the contracts that guys like Weiss and Clarkson and Ribero have gotten are blasphemous. Maybe not Ribiero because he was real good for Washington last year.

My pick is Maxim Shalunov.
- Beaver-Warrior

Phillip Danault.