On a side note... The butler looks like a very powerful movie
- SMS4016

To get Yandle it would probably take B. Schenn, B. Coburn and 2 1st rd picks, maybe more. So which would you rather have?

Yandle or

B.Schenn
B.Coburn
Streit
Morin
1st rd pick

No brainer IMO.

Anyone else watch Silva get knocked the fack out lastnight? What an idiot thing to do at the wrong time.

I'm not trying to shoot hopes down. I thought it was a discussion board and opinions are allowed to be formed of one's own mind. I'm not upset about people disagreeing with me one bit but I don't appreciate being called names as if I'm pulling the recent blunders of this organization out of thin air.
- JoeRussomanno

Joe I have remained silent during this whole discussion. I will say you are welcome to your opinion and I understand where you are coming from as these guys pooped all over me for not liking the Morin pick. The difference.... I said my piece and moved on a day later. Despite not liking the pick I do see upside in this team. I'm also looking forward to seeing what else they do. IMO it will be something big and the last time we did something big we made it to the finals. Just relax. Vinny might have a ntc but we will waive to go back and finish his career in Tampa.

To get Yandle it would probably take B. Schenn, B. Coburn and 2 1st rd picks, maybe more. So which would you rather have?

Yandle or

B.Schenn
B.Coburn
Streit
Morin
1st rd pick

No brainer IMO.
- jstross

No brainer in which direction?

If it makes you guys feel better to lump me into that septic tank fine...especially when some of you know I follow the team religiously ... But one thing you can give those alpha hotels credit for predicting, is these deals lately tend to blow up in the team 's face a lot of late. Call me what you will but the abundance of (frank) ups are unacceptable and the same rationale appears to be constantly applied. Sorry you don't agree sorry I formed my own opinion I'm glad nobody can respect that.
- JoeRussomanno

Hey Joe, here's an unsolicited opinion on your posts today, FWIW, with Plus/Minus/Neutral feelings. I share some of your views, though perhaps not quite as extreme.

- the Draft. I rank it a D. The Morin pick will come back to haunt them vs. taking a more offensive minded dmen. They're still chasing pronger with Weber and now Morin. The back end of the draft will likely be a total fail.

+ Not trading the young talent for an older short-term veteran. Give credit to Homer on this one.

+/- Giroux deal. Unfortunately this was set by the market. G is my favorite player, but I'm not sure he is worth near Crosby or Malkin money. But it was the Perry/Getzlaf signings that set his market value.

+ Vinnie signing. Even in 3/4 years as a 3rd center or winger if need be, his cap hit is reasonable. For short term, the Flyers desperately need a 2nd line that can take pressure off the first.

+/- Streit - The key will be the right partner. This has more risk than Vinnie due to over 35. I hated Pronger deal because I saw the probability of him finishing that contract as very unlikely (age and style of play), plus they gave up too much. Streit though plays a different style and has less wear and tear.

+/- Emery, there is a lot of risk here, and even if it works out you have two goalies signed for 1 year. No guarantee either will step up. BUT...no real long-term commitment is a benefit too if it fails.

+/- the Roster (short-term). As it stands today, I think they are likely a playoff team but no guarantees. Lots of teams upgraded themselves, and Detroit/Columbus are in the conference now. If EVERYTHING went right, they could win a couple of rounds maybe. But history shows that not everything could go right. I don't consider them a real cup contender yet.

- Roster (long-term). Yes they have assets at Forward, but the Defense lacks true 1st pair offensive dman prospect, and are more long-term solutions (Morin is a true project). Could have 2-3 holes to fill next year on D, depending upon what happens with Coburn. I'm not crazy about the wingers either. Need one more skilled winger, and losing Read will hurt. Stolarz is too far away as well. But they do have assets to trade. EVERYTHING will hinge on how they use those assets.

(Sorry for the long post)

No brainer in which direction?
- Tomahawk

Not Yandle....I dont think it would take quite this much, but close to it

Anyone else watch Silva get knocked the fack out lastnight? What an idiot thing to do at the wrong time.
- idiotsallofu

I did and it was awesome, that guy had it coming does that in the majority of his fights.

Joe, its clear that you are very frustrated with the Flyers and the recent history and lack of "success" (if that's how you look at it).

Just to end the bickering, lets all agree to disagree. It serves you no benefit in life to both constantly shed your disapproval or try to convince others to think the way you do. You are clearly starting to upset other members on the board with the constant negativity and its understandable. You have made your points of dissatisfaction and everybody is well aware of how you feel. If anyone isn't, then so what.

Move on, point is made, let everyone else try to be happy and optimistic without you shooting their hopes down at every turn. We get it.
- mikel33

Well said sir

I did and it was awesome, that guy had it coming does that in the majority of his fights.
- flyerfan28

Yeah and he usually gets away with it, it was pretty comical to watch, though. He looked super shocked that he got hit.

Another thing to remember is this team is being built for 3 years down the road. So the vinny/streit contracts are for more teChing/compete now. Most young teams only have 2/3 core players. We have like 7! We have many options over next few years to find true #1 dman hell maybe we draft one who knows. If we could get cal #1 pick I'd be in. Say coots/mez for giadarno/#1pick. That pick gonna be top 5. Could also trade up in draft next year too. Sooo many options but team is trending up for sure. Just keep thinKing 3 years from now.

we'll see how many defend a couturier to calgary trade
- FlyerMike18

If they got TJ Brodie, I would defend it.

How would everyone (especially those of you with season tix) feel if this team did a full rebuild and sucked for 2-3 years as opposed to trying to ice the best team possible year after year? I can't imagine the people shelling out $$ in Edmonton have enjoyed the process.

A lot of people said the Flyers should build through their youth/draft, but I'm not sure how many of us would actually be okay once the process was underway.

Another thing to remember is this team is being built for 3 years down the road. So the vinny/streit contracts are for more teChing/compete now. Most young teams only have 2/3 core players. We have like 7! We have many options over next few years to find true #1 dman hell maybe we draft one who knows. If we could get cal #1 pick I'd be in. Say coots/mez for giadarno/#1pick. That pick gonna be top 5. Could also trade up in draft next year too. Sooo many options but team is trending up for sure. Just keep thinKing 3 years from now.
- SMS4016

To be fully truthful, they're trying to win now and be a contender in the future, 3-5 years down the road. If they were really trying to compete 3 years from now, then the Lecavalier and Streit deals would be terrible. But they are trying to win now, as well as down the road.

See even you know they're stringing themselves out on thin ice with these deals. these deals, burn them constantly because they keep doing the same thing, taking ill advised risk on players they don't need or are past their prime or have injury history etc etc. and they don't just give them contracts they give em long deals with NMC 's

Forget about the past 30 years lets go back 3 years... Trade top two centers who are only two 2 mil more than what giroux's new deal will cost, they go onto win a cup very next year, give up on a young goalie, who goes on to win a vezina but nevermind that, sign a big name goalie have theist ridiculous luck for a change in a gift of amnesty buyouts use that to get out of that mess, now go out and get a goalie who has not shown he can handle the load of starting for a full season, and two players well into their thirties that have serious question marks.
Lecalvier may have pplayed with a revolving door but maybe that has something to do with his tendency to take mental holidays
Streit another dman that can't defend when the biggest problem we have in terms of on ice play us team that can't play in its own zone. Dumb moves all around oh yea and if mason lives up to the expectation this year now you're gonna be hemmed in salary wise with keeping this nucleus they haven't given up yet. Couturier and schenn and mason will need to get resigned this year. The flyers have to pray the cap goes up if it doesn't they're in serious trouble for acquiring players that don't solve their problems.
- JoeRussomanno

You are just another example of the fan the Flyers can never please. If you don't want them to trade the youth then they have to add another way. As Jsaq pointed out, free agents cost top dollars, like it or not. You cannot have it both ways. If you hate it so much go root for Columbus (oh wait). Otherwise, stop complaining and being ignorant to the market.

No brainer in which direction?
- Tomahawk

Yandle isn't worth anything close to that, IMO.

How would everyone (especially those of you with season tix) feel if this team did a full rebuild and sucked for 2-3 years as opposed to trying to ice the best team possible year after year? I can't imagine the people shelling out $$ in Edmonton have enjoyed the process.

A lot of people said the Flyers should build through their youth/draft, but I'm not sure how many of us would actually be okay once the process was underway.
- jmatchett383

I could barely stand watching this season. I could only imagine how much I would hate a full rebuild process.

If they got TJ Brodie, I would defend it.
- Jsaquella

i'd want a proven commodity in a couturier trade. brodie has potential, but i'd want more of a sure thing

If they got TJ Brodie, I would defend it.
- Jsaquella

I have heard of TJ Brodie, guess he is a D man. I would figure he is a prospect, a highly regarded one that. I only ask because I am not on the up and up with the Flames players

Another thing to remember is this team is being built for 3 years down the road. So the vinny/streit contracts are for more teChing/compete now. Most young teams only have 2/3 core players. We have like 7! We have many options over next few years to find true #1 dman hell maybe we draft one who knows. If we could get cal #1 pick I'd be in. Say coots/mez for giadarno/#1pick. That pick gonna be top 5. Could also trade up in draft next year too. Sooo many options but team is trending up for sure. Just keep thinKing 3 years from now.
- SMS4016

I saw that rumor and I beleive in a lot of Rich Smith stuff as he has proven pretty reliable but I gotta say outside of dumping Mez this deal makes little sense for me on either end....The flyers have turned down the notion of trading Coots over and over for pieces that could actually help this team and now we would trade him for picks and prospects...and from calgary standpoint, they are rebuilding and you dont rebuild by trading top prospects and 1 round picks for basically one player...Im sorry but I call BS on this one as it makes no sense to me at all

i'd want a proven commodity in a couturier trade. brodie has potential, but i'd want more of a sure thing
- FlyerMike18

I don't like the idea of trading young players for prospects.

How would everyone (especially those of you with season tix) feel if this team did a full rebuild and sucked for 2-3 years as opposed to trying to ice the best team possible year after year? I can't imagine the people shelling out $$ in Edmonton have enjoyed the process.

A lot of people said the Flyers should build through their youth/draft, but I'm not sure how many of us would actually be okay once the process was underway.
- jmatchett383

With as well as this team drafts, they wouldn't even have to really suck... just be a bit more patient with the youth they already have, resist the constant urge to look for 'answers' via UFA, and not be so reactionary in terms of identity/plan.

I'd rather suffer through a few years of being a playoff bubble team while the team built toward a rock solid window of Cup contention than watch them continually change their 5-year plan every 2-3 years.

I saw that rumor and I beleive in a lot of Rich Smith stuff as he has proven pretty reliable but I gotta say outside of dumping Mez this deal makes little sense for me on either end....The flyers have turned down the notion of trading Coots over and over for pieces that could actually help this team and now we would trade him for picks and prospects...and from calgary standpoint, they are rebuilding and you dont rebuild by trading top prospects and 1 round picks for basically one player...Im sorry but I call BS on this one as it makes no sense to me at all
- nonpoint22

Rich Smith is actually Paul Holmgen. He puts this stuff out there to turn up the heat on St. Louis to move AP now before we give away the assets they want and before its too late

See we're still trying to keep up with the joneses and getting burned. Now maybe Parise and sutter were always going to land in Minnesota albeit slightly overpaid but there's two types of players the flyers just bumped themselves out of the running for with these recent contracts should such players become available. Lets be honest the flyers got good again in the short term, not the long term again.
- JoeRussomanno

So, by hanging on to Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek and Laughton, as well as not trading draft picks and other prospects to fill immediate holes(outside of the 4th rounder for Streit), they're not building for the future and are only worried about the short term?

Honestly, you're entitled to your opinion, but the explanation of that opinion makes little sense to me. You say they're not looking to the future, but they've kept pretty much every young cornerstone type player and avoided trading high picks. So how is it that they're not looking ahead?

The cap will go up, because it's tied to the same revenue system that existed before. In four or five years, the cap could be as high as $80mm, which will means the deals signed today will take up far less cap room.

I don't like the idea of trading young players for prospects.
- mikel33

i'm with you. i'd want someone at least as established as couturier (but still young). asking a lot, i know. but that's kinda why i frame it as not being open to a couturier trade at all