Just curious... Would anyone trade coots for Seth jones straight up?
- SMS4016

Absolutely

There are very few dmen that move the puck well, can qb a pp and defend well too. Most of those guys you can't trade for and when and if they reach free agency, they will cost a fortune.

The Flyers needed another offensive dman. They got arguably the best one on the market without giving up any assets. Would a 3 year deal have been better, of course, but they did as well as they could and I am happy with the signing of Streit.
- BiggE

Paul Coffey, 1997-8, part II.

Dont trade for 1st round draft picks until you know what # the pick is and who is on the board. Too big of a gamble.

For the record I'd be fine with Coots+ for Jones tho.
- hereticpride

You can't have too many no. 1 picks IMO. You never know what can happen.
in 2010 anahiem got the flyer's first round pick in the pronger trade. If briere doesn't score in the shootout to get into the playoffs, the ducks had a top 15 pick. Sure it ended up at 29, but they still had their pick at 12. If they wanted to move to get into the top 10, two first round picks in return look good on an offersheet.

That risk is why cal would have to add pick plus prospect. In case pick wasn't like a top 5. But let's be real. Cal sucks. It's gonna be at least a top 5 if not higher. I'd actually say top 3 is at least 90% likely
- SMS4016

90% is bit bit of a presumption
I thought Ottawa would do poorly last season when they lost Spezza, Michalek, Karlsson, and Anderson, and they were left with essentially a roster of prospects and fillers. Look at how that ended.

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- bmeltzer

One way Streit

I don't think so. He's hung onto these players despite being tempted. He wasn't willing to deal them both for Weber. I doubt he makes a rash move and trades one for a slight upgrade on defense.
- PhillySportsGuy

You doubt but you're not really sure. That's the fine difference between me and everyone else's these days the way I see it: i chose not to give them the benefit of my doubt since they continue to pursue veterans in the down swing of their careers. And there's no guarantee lecalvier will waive his NMC to go back to Tampa or that yzermsn if he's still there will take him.

Hey Joe, here's an unsolicited opinion on your posts today, FWIW, with Plus/Minus/Neutral feelings. I share some of your views, though perhaps not quite as extreme.

- the Draft. I rank it a D. The Morin pick will come back to haunt them vs. taking a more offensive minded dmen. They're still chasing pronger with Weber and now Morin. The back end of the draft will likely be a total fail.

+ Not trading the young talent for an older short-term veteran. Give credit to Homer on this one.

+/- Giroux deal. Unfortunately this was set by the market. G is my favorite player, but I'm not sure he is worth near Crosby or Malkin money. But it was the Perry/Getzlaf signings that set his market value.
+ Vinnie signing. Even in 3/4 years as a 3rd center or winger if need be, his cap hit is reasonable. For short term, the Flyers desperately need a 2nd line that can take pressure off the first.

+/- Streit - The key will be the right partner. This has more risk than Vinnie due to over 35. I hated Pronger deal because I saw the probability of him finishing that contract as very unlikely (age and style of play), plus they gave up too much. Streit though plays a different style and has less wear and tear.

+/- Emery, there is a lot of risk here, and even if it works out you have two goalies signed for 1 year. No guarantee either will step up. BUT...no real long-term commitment is a benefit too if it fails.

+/- the Roster (short-term). As it stands today, I think they are likely a playoff team but no guarantees. Lots of teams upgraded themselves, and Detroit/Columbus are in the conference now. If EVERYTHING went right, they could win a couple of rounds maybe. But history shows that not everything could go right. I don't consider them a real cup contender yet.

- Roster (long-term). Yes they have assets at Forward, but the Defense lacks true 1st pair offensive dman prospect, and are more long-term solutions (Morin is a true project). Could have 2-3 holes to fill next year on D, depending upon what happens with Coburn. I'm not crazy about the wingers either. Need one more skilled winger, and losing Read will hurt. Stolarz is too far away as well. But they do have assets to trade. EVERYTHING will hinge on how they use those assets.

(Sorry for the long post)
- TheGreat28

I think it's too early to grade the draft but the blunder in the third round well see where I'm going with this?

You doubt but you're not really sure. That's the fine difference between me and everyone else's these days the way I see it: i chose not to give them the benefit of my doubt since they continue to pursue veterans in the down swing of their careers. And there's no guarantee lecalvier will waive his NMC to go back to Tampa or that yzermsn if he's still there will take him.
- JoeRussomanno

They pursue older players because they already have a youth core, and it costs them no assets to add these players. You cannot add good young players without giving assets. And Emery is not an old player on the downswing of his career. As a goalie, he's in his prime now.

One way Streit
- ob18

You win best post of the day, and it's only noon!

You doubt but you're not really sure. That's the fine difference between me and everyone else's these days the way I see it: i chose not to give them the benefit of my doubt since they continue to pursue veterans in the down swing of their careers. And there's no guarantee lecalvier will waive his NMC to go back to Tampa or that yzermsn if he's still there will take him.
- JoeRussomanno

Give me an example of a time Homer traded a young asset for a veteran?
Only Pronger

Streit is a solid offensive defenseman. Booming slapper and he also has his head up and hits the seam with his passes. However he is small and not physical at all. He tends to turnover the puck at key times. He is the player you will have a love hate relationship. Kind of like Letang but less physical. Not an ideal choice but he will come in handy.

I think it's too early to grade the draft but the blunder in the third round well see where I'm going with this?
- JoeRussomanno

You also don't fully understand that situation. We all condemned Homer for going off the board to take Morin at 11. Later we found out that if we had moved back, Montreal would have moved up to take Morin at 11. It's entirely possible that Homer knew a team between their pick in round 3 and their pick in round 5 was going to take Z2, so he had to either take Z2 in round 3 or lose him. I give him the benefit of the doubt on that because we here couldn't possibly know the entire situation.

You win best post of the day, and it's only noon!
- Tomahawk

Guess I can call it a day

They pursue older players because they already have a youth core, and it costs them no assets to add these players. You cannot add good young players without giving assets. And Emery is not an old player on the downswing of his career. As a goalie, he's in his prime now.
- JAKEw1234

That's the problem cap space and roster spots are assets. Emery and mason are signed to one year deals so goaltending is not addressed and they still lack a true 1a defenseman. Streit is player that needs to be shielded as is the case with just about this whole defensive corps. Meanshile they have some very important pieces of the young corps about to become Rfas. I seriously doubt after last summer that offer sheets won't be presented of schenn and coots have breakout years. Again the prudent thing would have been to stand pat and wait it out.

Streit is a solid offensive defenseman. Booming slapper and he also has his head up and hits the seam with his passes. However he is small and not physical at all. He tends to turnover the puck at key times. He is the player you will have a love hate relationship. Kind of like Letang but less physical. Not an ideal choice but he will come in handy.
- powerhouse

Letang should just play forward , he's like Mike Green.

Streit is a solid offensive defenseman. Booming slapper and he also has his head up and hits the seam with his passes. However he is small and not physical at all. He tends to turnover the puck at key times. He is the player you will have a love hate relationship. Kind of like Letang but less physical. Not an ideal choice but he will come in handy.
- powerhouse

He reminds me of a Briere defenseman. Will score timely goals and make untimely mistakes.

You also don't fully understand that situation. We all condemned Homer for going off the board to take Morin at 11. Later we found out that if we had moved back, Montreal would have moved up to take Morin at 11. It's entirely possible that Homer knew a team between their pick in round 3 and their pick in round 5 was going to take Z2, so he had to either take Z2 in round 3 or lose him. I give him the benefit of the doubt on that because we here couldn't possibly know the entire situation.
- JAKEw1234

Did we really need a z2? The answer is no.

They pursue older players because they already have a youth core, and it costs them no assets to add these players. You cannot add good young players without giving assets. And Emery is not an old player on the downswing of his career. As a goalie, he's in his prime now.
- JAKEw1234

So simple and yet so hard for some to understand. We have a very impressive young cord who I'm sure consider themselves lucky and may even look up to playing with such players as Jagr, Briere, Timonen, Gagne, Pronger and now Lecavalier. All the players mentioned are respected around the league and once studs in their collective primes. They can only display a certain leadership that shows how to handle this kind of fame both on and off the ice. Also hand down advice for strategy on the ice.

You also don't fully understand that situation. We all condemned Homer for going off the board to take Morin at 11. Later we found out that if we had moved back, Montreal would have moved up to take Morin at 11. It's entirely possible that Homer knew a team between their pick in round 3 and their pick in round 5 was going to take Z2, so he had to either take Z2 in round 3 or lose him. I give him the benefit of the doubt on that because we here couldn't possibly know the entire situation.
- JAKEw1234

I think most people would have said it's fine if Z2 is taken by another team in the 3rd or 4th round.

That's the problem cap space and roster spots are assets. Emery and mason are signed to one year deals so goaltending is not addressed and they still lack a true 1a defenseman. Streit is player that needs to be shielded as is the case with just about this whole defensive corps. Meanshile they have some very important pieces of the young corps about to become Rfas. I seriously doubt after last summer that offer sheets won't be presented of schenn and coots have breakout years. Again the prudent thing would have been to stand pat and wait it out.
- JoeRussomanno

The summer is still very young, I totally expect Coots and Schenn to get extensions either this summer or during next season. Homer is not the kind of GM that let's his RFAs become vulnerable. And the important thing with Streit is he fits. He fills a need we have, and we have plenty of shutdown dmen to shield him with. The most important thing about him, is we didn't have to sell the farm to get him as we would have to with Yandle. And yes, we lack a #1 dman, but with Morin and Hagg now in the mix, our prospect pool of Dmen looks very promising. You also still don't know if Homer will try to make a trade for that Dman.

Early WHL Player Rankings - 2014 NHL Draft

http://whl-from-above.blo...kings-2014-nhl-draft.html

That's the problem cap space and roster spots are assets. Emery and mason are signed to one year deals so goaltending is not addressed and they still lack a true 1a defenseman. Streit is player that needs to be shielded as is the case with just about this whole defensive corps. Meanshile they have some very important pieces of the young corps about to become Rfas. I seriously doubt after last summer that offer sheets won't be presented of schenn and coots have breakout years. Again the prudent thing would have been to stand pat and wait it out.
- JoeRussomanno

They will have enough money to sign them both and mason next year. They would both have to have AMAZING years for the Flyers to be in trouble cap wise. Like All star seasons. Schenns cap hit will most likely go down and coots will go up a little. It's only their first year of rfa. Mason is also an rfa next offseason.

If Coots and Schenn wanted longer term deals (5 yrs or more). What would be the most you offer them right now?

Guess I can call it a day
- ob18

Might as well. Its like a never ending Abilify commercial in here today.

Early WHL Player Rankings - 2014 NHL Draft

http://whl-from-above.blo...kings-2014-nhl-draft.html
- ob18

A German could go #1? When's the last time that happened?