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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 6 @ 10:50 PM ET
What's your list? It's hard to know just which assets are available for trade, and Homer has said that he isn't shopping Simmer in response to the Montreal rumors.
- JAKEw1234


Now I'm nervous.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 6 @ 10:50 PM ET
Ya the guy whos family that Homer must owe a favour to or is marrying his daughter or something
- AGL_91

He got him cause "he plays just like zac" according to Homer. I agree with taking a player like that, just not in the 3rd round.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 6 @ 10:51 PM ET
I thought I would see more action today with trades (from teams) but it was a boring day.
- stveshdy


Sometimes less is more. I like were the team sits at this point. Homer has impressed me with his 'patience' and ability to walk away from tempting deals.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 6 @ 10:51 PM ET
Now I'm nervous.
- stveshdy

Well not really. He said he's not actively shopping him but if the right deal comes around that makes the team better he's open to it. And that's not really something you say if your posturing.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:51 PM ET
beaulieu for Coburn + filler
would be a good hockey trade for us. Dunno how Habs fans think lol

- AGL_91

Why does Philly have to add? Beaulieu hasnt done squat in the NHL and Coburn is a proven veteran. Montreal needs to add.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:52 PM ET
What happened against the devils again? Oh yea we got bounced and he was suspended for the last game. The average team was the round before
- JoeRussomanno


Didn't G have two bad wrists that series?
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 6 @ 10:54 PM ET
He got him cause "he plays just like zac" according to Homer. I agree with taking a player like that, just not in the 3rd round.
- JAKEw1234


That was a bad pick. Nobody can defend that pick. Trade down and get more picks and then be stupid. At least you get a 4th and 6th extra out of it.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 6 @ 10:54 PM ET
Well not really. He said he's not actively shopping him but if the right deal comes around that makes the team better he's open to it. And that's not really something you say if your posturing.
- JAKEw1234


I don't expect Homer to tell anyone what he's doing.

Still don't see enough in that Montreal package to make me deal Simmonds.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:56 PM ET
What's your list? It's hard to know just which assets are available for trade, and Homer has said that he isn't shopping Simmer in response to the Montreal rumors.
- JAKEw1234


A quick stab (I consider draft picks as assets in this discussion):

1. G
2. Voracek
3. All 1st round and 2nd round draft picks for next 5 yrs.
4. Coots
5. L. Schenn
6. B. Schenn
7. Read
8. Simmonds
9. Morin (he's the closest thing to a potential two way top pairing d-man. They have to keep him and see if he can develop in that player.)
10. Laughton

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 6 @ 10:57 PM ET
Didn't G have two bad wrists that series?
- JFlyers00

That was because of Crosby. After the playoffs Giroux had to have that wrist surgery, and told the media it was because during their series with the penguins that Crosby was constantly slashing his wrists whenever they were skating near each other. I just remembered that, thanks for bringing it up
It's one more reason that I don't think Crosby deserves to be listed with the all time greats. He's as obnoxious as a 10 year old and has the leadership skills and maturity of one too.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 6 @ 10:58 PM ET
A quick stab (I consider draft picks as assets in this discussion):

1. G
2. Voracek
3. All 1st round and 2nd round draft picks for next 5 yrs.
4. Coots
5. L. Schenn
6. B. Schenn
7. Read
8. Simmonds
9. Morin (he's the closest thing to a potential two way top pairing d-man. They have to keep him and see if he can develop in that player.)
10. Laughton

- ravishingone


I thought you said assets that were up for trade? I don't consider G and Voracek up for trade. And listing trade picks as assets is fine, but listing "all 1st round and 2nd round draft picks for the next 5 years" isn't. I don't think a trade has ever happened in which a team traded all of it's 1sts and 2nds for the next 5 years in a package.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:59 PM ET
That was because of Crosby. After the playoffs Giroux had to have that wrist surgery, and told the media it was because during their series with the penguins that Crosby was constantly slashing his wrists whenever they were skating near each other. I just remembered that, thanks for bringing it up
It's one more reason that I don't think Crosby deserves to be listed with the all time greats. He's as obnoxious as a 10 year old and has the leadership skills and maturity of one too.

- JAKEw1234


I think he claimed he would get slashed by him during face-offs
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:59 PM ET
What's your list? It's hard to know just which assets are available for trade, and Homer has said that he isn't shopping Simmer in response to the Montreal rumors.
- JAKEw1234


Who reported that last statement?
AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 6 @ 10:59 PM ET
Why does Philly have to add? Beaulieu hasnt done squat in the NHL and Coburn is a proven veteran. Montreal needs to add.
- psuhockey


I think if MTL didnt ask for anyone more in this deal it would of happened already. Although I think Coburn is a extremely valuable piece for the flyers now and in the future I cant see why Homer would move him for a guy like Beaulieu. Just my take on it put if he is a offensively gifted as some of the reports I have recently read, then you pull the trigger
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 11:02 PM ET
I thought you said assets that were up for trade? I don't consider G and Voracek up for trade. And listing trade picks as assets is fine, but listing "all 1st round and 2nd round draft picks for the next 5 years" isn't. I don't think a trade has ever happened in which a team traded all of it's 1sts and 2nds for the next 5 years in a package.
- JAKEw1234


No what I'm writing is basically no one is untouchable in the organization, even G and Voracek. However, it is highly unlikely the Flyers would receive such an offer that they feel compelled to move either player. As far as the draft choices, high picks are used in trade all the time. Some used for the upcoming draft, other traded a few years down the road. It happens all the time. I'm hoping the Flyers get away from using high draft picks for rental at the trade deadline.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 6 @ 11:02 PM ET
I think if MTL didnt ask for anyone more in this deal it would of happened already. Although I think Coburn is a extremely valuable piece for the flyers now and in the future I cant see why Homer would move him for a guy like Beaulieu. Just my take on it put if he is a offensively gifted as some of the reports I have recently read, then you pull the trigger
- AGL_91


So you want Coburn for Beauleiu straight up?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 6 @ 11:04 PM ET
Who reported that last statement?
- Just5

I forget i believe it was posted in here or copied from twitter.
AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 6 @ 11:04 PM ET
Seems like a lot of the big name NHL reporters took well needed time of today due to the playoffs, draft, and free agency which may lead to lack of pretty much zero rumors and reports
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 6 @ 11:10 PM ET
I think he claimed he would get slashed by him during face-offs
- JFlyers00

yup either way
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 6 @ 11:13 PM ET
Nothing to report since the Derek Roy signing?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 6 @ 11:22 PM ET
Nothing to report since the Derek Roy signing?
- dingo8urbaby

Well Sir, I'll report that I ran 6 miles in 45 mins when it was 90 degrees out....

Highlight of my day, I think.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 6 @ 11:22 PM ET
Seems like a lot of the big name NHL reporters took well needed time of today due to the playoffs, draft, and free agency which may lead to lack of pretty much zero rumors and reports
- AGL_91


Blasphemy!!
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 7 @ 12:03 AM ET
Very interesting with the AP situation. Very surprised they didn't lock him up.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 7 @ 12:23 AM ET
I can't agree with your point. I still think there is a huge difference between a player entering into his 2nd contract coming off of an EL contract. Then there is for a player coming off his bridge contract. And even bigger difference for a player who is a UFA.
- MJL


You're missing my point. I'm probably at fault.

But as an example, look at Patrick Kane's contract history. Same for Toews. Both leapfrogged right from their ELC's to a 6.5 mil contract in their respective fourth years.

It's been done before and certainly won't be the last time. So there's no need for Pietrangelo to grow up. His demand's wouldn't set any precedents. That's already been set years ago.

Ovechkin. Malkin. Stamkos. Doughty. Taylor Hall.

And sorry for the very late response. Just got back from a wedding.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 7 @ 12:23 AM ET
That rumor about the Flyers trading him, Talbot & Coburn for Plekanec, Moen and Beaulieu is still floating around
- Jsaquella

hate it
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