According to capgeek, they have around $7mm under the cap to fit Pietrangelo now, of course they can go 10% over, but they'll likely be shedding somebody
- Jsaquella

still need to sign stewart who will prolly get 5

If I didn't forget more I wouldn't be drooling over all these acquisitions and telling people to shut up and like it
- JoeRussomanno

I think the team is now showing a willingness to be patient with their young players. They are also making more of an effort to develop defenseman. Those are both encouraging signs.

I think there is a compromise between Homer and Snider. They will do everything they can to win now, but they will not be mortgaging the future for older players.

They can move Halak and get a decent prospect or pick back. They are susceptible to an OS though. They will probably match but have virtually no leverage in any trade because teams will know they need to shed salary.
- PhillySportsGuy

Not so sure about that. Halak didn't play well last year, he's had some injury issues and there's not a lot of teams that need a goalie. I wanted him because I felt they could land him for a 2nd rounder or so, and he'd be a decent reclamation project.

Granted a 2nd is a decent pick, but that might be stretching it. Not many teams seem to be looking for a goalie

still need to sign stewart who will prolly get 5
- mydoglicks

It's actually getting to the point where they will have to trade someone

Not so sure about that. Halak didn't play well last year, he's had some injury issues and there's not a lot of teams that need a goalie. I wanted him because I felt they could land him for a 2nd rounder or so, and he'd be a decent reclamation project.

Granted a 2nd is a decent pick, but that might be stretching it. Not many teams seem to be looking for a goalie
- Jsaquella

You're right. Worst case scenario, they could move him for a 2nd rounder, I believe. Someone with cap space would take a chance on him. It was only a few years ago when he was coming off of that amazing playoff run.

still need to sign stewart who will prolly get 5
- mydoglicks

Yeah, I forgot him...he might not get $5mm, but he's going to get at least $3.5-$4mm.

I didn't realize he made $3mm last year. The Blues went from budget team to cap team fast.

I think the team is now showing a willingness to be patient with their young players. They are also making more of an effort to develop defenseman. Those are both encouraging signs.

I think there is a compromise between Homer and Snider. They will do everything they can to win now, but they will not be mortgaging the future for older players.
- PhillySportsGuy

They've only showed me that they will continue to gorge themselves in free agency to win a cup, which has been close but no cigar over the years.

It's actually getting to the point where they will have to trade someone
- PhillySportsGuy

looking at there roster there is no one they could really move now that would open up enough to sign ap, unless they can find a sucker to take jbow

If I didn't forget more I wouldn't be drooling over all these acquisitions and telling people to shut up and like it
- JoeRussomanno

I have never drooled over anything...I am happy they locked up G and I think they got a good deal for Emery...other then that I dont think much of the off season either way cause there not finished

I have never drooled over anything...I am happy they locked up G and I think they got a good deal for Emery...other then that I dont think much of the off season either way cause there not finished
- nonpoint22

They got hosed on the Giroux deal but that's ok we have 8 years to worship an above average player.

They've only showed me that they will continue to gorge themselves in free agency to win a cup, which has been close but no cigar over the years.
- JoeRussomanno

As long as the free agency signings don't prevent the Flyers from keeping their young talent then I don't see the problem. It's not like the Flyers could have addressed their biggest needs through the organizations. They have some young, talented Dmen, but they are years away. By the time guys like Ghost, Morin and Hagg become full time players Streit will be near the end of his deal.

Who knows with the goalie situation. Mason could end up being the answer. We could end up having the goalie carousel again and pray that Stolarz develops into something special.

The Lecavalier move wasn't a necessity and may hurt the team in 3-5 years. That's really the only thing you should be griping about. Compared to other signings though, we got him a pretty good money.

looking at there roster there is no one they could really move now that would open up enough to sign ap, unless they can find a sucker to take jbow
- mydoglicks

hopfully were not that sucker

looking at there roster there is no one they could really move now that would open up enough to sign ap, unless they can find a sucker to take jbow
- mydoglicks

Cap floor teams lining up!

hopfully were not that sucker
- nonpoint22

Not possible. The Blues and Flyers both need to clear salary. Neither team would want to take on more in a trade.

Yeah, I forgot him...he might not get $5mm, but he's going to get at least $3.5-$4mm.

I didn't realize he made $3mm last year. The Blues went from budget team to cap team fast.
- Jsaquella

they seem to be in more trouble then originally thought, the Derek roy signing just blows my mind, first the cap hit of 4mil, stewart unsigned and ap will not sign a tender

They got hosed on the Giroux deal but that's ok we have 8 years to worship an above average player.
- JoeRussomanno

I think you're undervaluing Giroux. 93 points 2 years ago. On pace for 82 last year. Plays on the PK as well. Took more defensive zone draws than any other player. Now that the team has guys like Lecavalier and Hall who can win draws, Giroux will be given more offensive chances.

The defense and Lavi's stubbornness to change his system also contributed to Giroux having a "down" year.

Malking got 9.5M. G got more than 1M less. That seems about right to me.

They got hosed on the Giroux deal but that's ok we have 8 years to worship an above average player.
- JoeRussomanno

Really... we will see cause neither of us have a crystal ball...unless are you Ms.Cleo Joe

they seem to be in more trouble then originally thought, the Derek roy signing just blows my mind, first the cap hit of 4mil, stewart unsigned and ap will not sign a tender
- mydoglicks

Overpaying for Roy was not a good move. I understand they need a center, but getting Pietrangelo and Stewart done are far more important.

Really... we will see cause neither of us have a crystal ball...unless are you Ms.Cleo Joe
- nonpoint22

No but history tends to repeat itself don't need a crystal ball to read it, either a computer screen or paperbound book will surfice

Overpaying for Roy was not a good move. I understand they need a center, but getting Pietrangelo and Stewart done are far more important.
- PhillySportsGuy

Don't get this one. Unless they expect an OS and just want the four 1st round picks in return. They can still fit Stewart in with room to spare and a nice set of picks that cost little to nothing immediately.

Don't get this one. Unless they expect an OS and just want the four 1st round picks in return. They can still fit Stewart in with room to spare and a nice set of picks that cost little to nothing immediately.
- section32

They have said several times that they will match any offer sheet

I think you're undervaluing Giroux. 93 points 2 years ago. On pace for 82 last year. Plays on the PK as well. Took more defensive zone draws than any other player. Now that the team has guys like Lecavalier and Hall who can win draws, Giroux will be given more offensive chances.

The defense and Lavi's stubbornness to change his system also contributed to Giroux having a "down" year.

Malking got 9.5M. G got more than 1M less. That seems about right to me.
- PhillySportsGuy

Lavi's system tends to help out player's scoring numbers too, that's a double edged sword. I'm not undervaluing anything, people act like he's up there with Crosby and that's just not the case.

Aaron Ward ‏@aaronward_nhl 5m
Derek Roy agrees to terms with St Louis Blues 1year/4 M total #TSN
- PhillySportsGuy

This is very interesting, and I think a team could take advantage of this. Here's a really high risk theoretical for you.
1.Wait for STL to resign Jake Allen. If they can't get the ball rolling, simply make him an offer sheet of $994,433. Worst case is the team gets Jake Allen and the team gives up no picks.
2. Offer Chris Stewart an offer sheet. He was their leading scorer last year, and they can't just let him walk. It can't be something ridiculous that they wouldn't match, but it needs to be as high as possible as to eat their cap. Let's say 5.5 mil. This is risky as if they do let him walk, then the team would owe STL our 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year.
3. If they match Stewart and Allen, then they should have $1,355,567 in cap space.
4. This would leave them vulnerable. If an offer sheet was made to Pietrangelo for $7,785,568 cap hit or above, then STL would go over the 10% cap they are allowed during the offseason, and Pietrangelo would be free and gone. (I believe? Or can they match and pay the penalty of going over?)

I know this is a pretty crazy master plan, but it was fun to think up Obviously there are a lot of variables that could change, or points that could go wrong, but if a creative GM wanted to try to get Pietrangelo, and give up no roster players doing it, then this is one angle to try to look at it from.

This is very interesting, and I think a team could take advantage of this. Here's a really high risk theoretical for you.
1.Wait for STL to resign Jake Allen. If they can't get the ball rolling, simply make him an offer sheet of $994,433. Worst case is the team gets Jake Allen and the team gives up no picks.
2. Offer Chris Stewart an offer sheet. He was their leading scorer last year, and they can't just let him walk. It can't be something ridiculous that they wouldn't match, but it needs to be as high as possible as to eat their cap. Let's say 5.5 mil. This is risky as if they do let him walk, then the team would owe STL our 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year.
3. If they match Stewart and Allen, then they should have $1,355,567 in cap space.
4. This would leave them vulnerable. If an offer sheet was made to Pietrangelo for $7,785,568 cap hit or above, then STL would go over the 10% cap they are allowed during the offseason, and Pietrangelo would be free and gone. (I believe? Or can they match and pay the penalty of going over?)

I know this is a pretty crazy master plan, but it was fun to think up Obviously there are a lot of variables that could change, or points that could go wrong, but if a creative GM wanted to try to get Pietrangelo, and give up no roster players doing it, then this is one angle to try to look at it from.
- JAKEw1234

Aren't they only at$7.5 MM available now that they signed Roy? I think we can just OS AP now and they would have to she'd to match.

Lavi's system tends to help out player's scoring numbers too, that's a double edged sword. I'm not undervaluing anything, people act like he's up there with Crosby and that's just not the case.
- JoeRussomanno

No one said that. I think he's a franchise player. I said earlier that Malkin got 9.5M and Giroux got 8.3. That sounds about right to me.